Subject: save me 0x01B6 Ha ha ha ha ha! #===================== Subject: Jesux In Jesux, you should make sure the filesystem is strictly nonhierarchical -- because only God can make a tree! #===================== Subject: Jesux mailing list Hey, Do you guys have a mailing list? :) | Jesse Boyes | | xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx | | http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | #===================== Subject: Re: Jesux mailing list > No, but if you like, we can add you to our announcement list (it is just an > alias, really). Sure, that'd be great. Thanks! BTW, you should implement some manpages for things in the Bible. man god, man heaven, man eden, etc. | Jesse Boyes | | xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx | | http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | #===================== Subject: Keep me posted to updates... to xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx Thx, Eric #===================== Subject: Hoax or no? We had news of your new Linux distro submitted to Slashdot. Before we run a story based on an anonymous Web site with an anonymous e-mail address as the only contact, we want to hear from you in person or by phone. Robin "roblimo" Miller Slashdot Mng. Editor xxx-xxx-xxxx #===================== Subject: jesux hah, thats some funny shite.. If you get jesux.org i can host it for you (for free of course).. The geocities page is quite unappealing. #===================== Subject: Re: Hoax or no? > I am not sure what you want to know. I don't really have anything to say > that isn't on the web site. God bless, In other words, a chain-puller. I don't mind, but can't run it. If you had called me, we could have talked about the humor, but as it is, no go. - robin #===================== Subject: Re: Hoax or no? > I don't understand, and don't care for your apparent insinuations. And > frankly, I am not interested in your so-called reporting. We've been > burned far too often by those like you with your agendas, and we are better > off without the worldly attention your site would offer. Mmmm. You claim you want developers to help you, but refuse to call an editor of the most-read Linux developer site to verify your identity. I agree. You are better off without the worldy attention our site would offer. Real Christians are proud of themselves and do not hide, Satanlike, behind lies. - Robin "roblimo" Miller #===================== Subject: But look at your second release record guys! I mean we're still waiting on v2.0 of the Son of God NT nearly 2000 years after the first release. Andy #===================== Subject: oh you have got to be kidding. This is all a big joke... RIGHT? I fuckin' hope so. #===================== Subject: No encryption provided; Christians have nothing to hid Query: Have you asked our brethren in, say, China about that? #===================== Subject: Jesux Better be careful with your naming there, laddy. What is with Jesux? Je-Sux? Jesus Sux? Is this some kind of cruel joke? Very upset Phil. #===================== Subject: Jesux features Hi, - No encryption provided; Christians have nothing to hide It is true, but his passwords need to keep secret (by eg. ssh or ssl), because the crackers may damage the site or abuse with the system (eg. change the content of the web server). Peter #===================== Subject: Greetings from Iceland. Greetings. Armon.Red here. I do hope you will read this entire letter. It's not written in anger or you know... I mean no harm, get that straigth from the very beginning. It has turned out to be a pretty long letter, so if you're on a dial-up and have a phone company that robs you by timing, I suggest you disconnect from the Internet while you read it. :) I belong to an Icelandic channel called #nIceland on IrcNet, and by far most people on it work with computers and are online all day. Anyway, someone posted the URL to your webpage on the channel (joking, obviously), and when I read the whole page, I realized this wasn't a joke. I don't mean that in a bad way, it's just that a lot of people make fun of you Christian people exactly by doing things like this. ;) I'm religious in a very weird way, and I used to be a "fanatic" like yourself, though I mean no disrespect... I just don't know another word for it, sorry. :/ Now I consider myself an athiest, since this weird religion I'm talking about isn't really about God or this unknown ancient figure who designed and constructed the sun and various other nice things. My father is, however, a member of Filadelfia, which is a Christian community over here in Reykjavik, Iceland's capital, so you see, I really know what the whole thing's about and I have the perspective of both sides. Anyway, that's not what I'm writing you for. "The idea would be that function calls and features suggesting evil and otherwise pagan ideas would be changed." Those functions mentioned are "abort", "kill" and "daemon". Now. If you're actually stupid enough to think that those functions were put in with anything whatsoever than shear innocense and good will, then it's still rather childish to assume that the physically written words mean anything bad or evil just because they happen to have the same origin from several decades ago. This reminds me of the pagan way you so gracefully despise yourself, which is doing magic by carving runes into stones and such crap, which people find only in kids' story books. :) I fail to see how this is supposed to be seen as a higher maturity level. And let us at least agree on that carving runes into stone and wood is at best a decoration, not an actual act of anything else than a man silly enough to think it's gonna help him with something. Yet again, I mean no disrespect. I'm rather worried you'll stop reading this letter without finishing it. I endorse and encourage this release of Linux you call Jesux, and I'm no anti-Christ dude either. I wish people thought more about religion and generally that more people were religious, but nothing is good when it's done excessively. What you speak of here is excessive. "abort", I assume you believe can only come from "abortion", and may I ask, what the heck has that got to do with anything here? Abort is cancelling something, not taking a five-day-old kid from a mother's womb, and how on Earth did you imagine "abort" was paganish or evil in any way? You abort a taxi call, you abort a space shuttle mission, you abort a function call. :) How is that evil, may I ask? No really, I'm interested. "kill"... you barely go to hell for killing an animal you're going to eat, and you barely go to hell for killing a function you accidentally set off. Do you go to hell for killing something that's already dead and never even was alive? We're not talking about killing a human being, man! We're not even talking about killing anything alive! It's not even a metaphor, for crying out loud. It's the first word that popped into some programmer's mind some 30 years ago or something. It's three words put together on a piece of paper, that's it! Horrible, isn't it? It's the meaning of the word "kill" that makes it a bad word, and in this case, the meaning of killing a human and killing a function call have nothing in common. Nothing. It's the same story with the abort-function I mentioned earlier. "daemon" is almost understandable, but not much more than that. There is a history behind this name, actually. You think that the FreeBSD folks are evil children of Satan because the logo is (a quite so cute) little demon? I'm not going to argue with you on this one. At first I didn't like using it either, but this is pronounced "day-mon", not "dee-mon" like "demon". Maybe it has the same meaning, but like I said... who cares, man? It's a word. It's not THE word. #===================== Subject: Re: Jesux features On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Jesux Developers wrote: > >It is true, but his passwords need to keep secret (by eg. ssh or ssl), > >because the crackers may damage the site or abuse with the system (eg. > >change the content of the web server). > > Well, we won't be removing the basic crypt() function and its use in passwd > and shadow, which technically is encryption, but is only one-way, and is > not useful for hiding information that needs to be retrieved later. The US > government does not even consider it encryption (for the purpose of export > restrictions, etc.). Thanks, and God bless, Thank you for your quick response. I think about the network connection. It'd be necessary to aviod the network traffic from the crackers. And an another question: How do you want to block the illicit web sites with the squid? Do you want to use SquidGuard? Or you have another solution? This is a problem for us. Do you have a up to date list of these sites? If yes and you make it publically aviable it is not a tresspass to distribute the list of these sites? Thanks: Peter #===================== Subject: :) Surely you are joking? If so, I enjoyed it immensely, great work! #===================== Subject: (no subject) Great idea! God bless :) #===================== Subject: jesux points... Reading through your site on jesux, and I had some points: o chmod(1) accepts hexadecimal modes, such as 0x01B6 Why? I'd guess this is because you can type 666 in as a valid permission. Well, it's the same number, reguardless of what base it is represented in... o qmail replaces sendmail as the standard MTA (sendmail was written by a prominent homosexual) If you're going to replace sendmail, I'd suggest that you take a long look at postfix first. Secure, clean, etc. o Hierarchical user structure, so parents and teachers can easily access children's files without needing to become root How is this implimented? o No encryption provided; Christians have nothing to hide Why? Not even things like credit card numbers? Things like root passwords? (sent clear text over things like telnet and ftp) Just because christians have nothing to hide, doesn't mean that they should reveal things that can be used easily against them. o abort er... The strict denotation of the word is exactly what happens with that command. It seems silly to me to have to re-invent a word in english just because it has taken on a second meaning. Jason #===================== Subject: Jesux OS Uhm.. please tell me this is a hoax.. -me... #===================== Subject: Re: jesux points... Jesux Developers xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx writes: >>> o chmod(1) accepts hexadecimal modes, such as 0x01B6 >> Why? I'd guess this is because you can type 666 in as a valid permission. >> Well, it's the same number, reguardless of what base it is represented >> in... > It is not about numbers, it is about representations and symbols. If we > can use another symbol to represent the same thing and avoid using a symbol > that normally represents evil, what's wrong with that? Hrm... As best I read the passage, it is still a number. And whether you represent it in base 10, base 16, base 2, or base 247, it's still the same number. Just happens that we use base 10. >>> o abort >> er... The strict denotation of the word is exactly what happens with that >> command. It seems silly to me to have to re-invent a word in english just >> because it has taken on a second meaning. > See above note about chmod modes. What are you going to use then? Terminate? Obliderate? Sodom? Declare Anathama? #===================== Subject: Jesux Hey guys! Its a very neat idea you've come up with, and most of the modifications can be done very quickly (and w/o kernal hacking), which is absolutely marvelous. As a computer scientist, my questions are twofold - 1) How are you plainng to implement the new user permission structure. 2) How in heck will you get rid of abort() w/o making a lot of programs uncompilable? - Chris Siefert Jesus : Choice of the Next Generation #===================== Subject: Treat others how you expect to be treated yourself Just a couple of comments about your new distribution. 1. If you need to have a 'special' distribution to avoid you being lead into temptation, you are not truly faithful in the first place. Let those be led that ask to be led. 2. If you continue to attack Slashdot, you will only be attacked. You need Slashdot, and you need to be recognised in the Linux community to survive. If you try to keep everybody away, then nobody will help you. The whole idea of Linux is to be open, you are creating a closed distribution. -- End of comments -- Andrew. #===================== Subject: Re: No encryption provided; Christians have nothing to >>>>> Jesux Developers writes: JD> At 1:11 -0500 1999.09.21, Sten Drescher wrote: >> Query: Have you asked our brethren in, say, China about that? JD> Well, the only reasonable alternative (strong encryption) isn't JD> legal for export to China anyway. Christianity is also illegal in China, outside the state-run Three Self churches. Please visit http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx for information about this and other religious persecution occurring today around the globe. JD> In any event, no, they don't have anything to hide, in my opinion. I think that the early Christians disagree on having nothing to hide. See, for example, Acts 8:23-26. JD> If they feel they do, they can get their own encryption or use a JD> different distribution. God bless, #===================== Subject: Re: Jesux OS Uh, actually, it would. See, my friend and I found your site, and we were argueing whether it was a hoax or not. I personally, didn't think any christian, especially any christian HACKER, would be inane/stupid (no offense) to try something like this (I mean, come on, won't let you login on sunday!? Plus, what self respectable hacker would use geocities as a webpage hosting site!). He says he wouldn't be surprised. So we're trying to settle an arguement here. Machina > At 8:47 -0700 1999.09.21, dj Machina wrote: > >Uhm.. please tell me this is a hoax.. > > Would telling you that solve anything in particular? > > Thanks, and God bless, > > -- > Jesux, The distribution that will not lead you into temptation > http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx > #===================== Subject: Subscribe This sounds like an interesting product to market to churches and Christian individuals. Please subscribe me to your list. Some details please: What versions of X-Windows are going to be distributed with it? Will they be appropriately modified for a Christian market as well? Will there be prepackaged Christian themes available, or will they be sold as an add-on? Thank You, Cally Powers ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: Hey-sooks?, gad-Zooks! Hello,
    I am a young[1] Christian male. I feel that making a christian branded linux is deceptive and unnecessary.

    I read your web site and saying "The distribution that will not lead you into temptation" is far from the truth. There is nothing about Linux or Unix for that matter, is Tempting. What kind of witness are we to non-believers if we get upset about commands like "kill" and "abort". I could understand if the command was "murder."

    The reason I think that it's deceptive is that there is nothing non-christian about linux, in fact it is a-moral. Including qmail instead of sendmail is good, but on the basis that sendmail was created by a homosexual is bad. What would Christ have done with this individual? Loved him. Jesus had prostitutes in his lineage.
 
    The world is not in need of another distribution of Linux. We are already deluged with a lot of distributions. Why not use the time you have to create a new distribution to help some of the already existing Linux companies.[2]

-Thanks for Reading, blessings to you.

[1] as in age, years being 20
[2] Caldera(my favorite), Red Hat, VALinux... #===================== Subject: Funny shit =P

Dood, thats the funniest shit I've ever seen =P
Carful though, you might offence some christians, and then you go in court (You know how people are!) =)
'Hopefully before Jesus arrives' LOL... Funny shit =P
 
Continue the joke dood, I'll bet some suckers out there really do believe that piece of crap is coming...lolol
 
Atheists for all!
 
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PS: This ISNT true is it?
#===================== Subject: Ha ha. good one Ha ha. Nice web page. I'm sure some people will assume this is for real and will get all upset at the proposed changes. I'm sure you are getting many people that believe this is true and are making orders. Others are going to get all upset on changing UNIX (removing abort(3) and kill(1)) breaking UNIX compatibility. Some people are so gullible to believe just about anything aren't they? God Bless ++Tait #===================== Subject: Christian Linux? Hi, A friend just sent me a link to your page. I have to admit, I laughed at first, but all in all you've got a good idea going. I like the idea of giving an OS a Christian flair. Although the name "Hay-sooks" sounds pretty cool, when written out Jesux looks a little too much like "Jesus sux". In fact when the page first loaded, I thought it was an anti-Christian page. If it were up to me, I'd prefer "Jesix", but I'm not the one in charge :) I think the idea of offering a way for parents to filter Internet content on Linux is a great idea. If I'm correct though, isn't squid just a web proxy, only affecting html pages? And can't you simply turn that proxy of in the Netscape preferences? I think it'd be great to be able to filter out ALL network content, similar to the way Windoze based filters do. I'm not sure how one would do that, since Linux's networking scheme is so much more open. Now on the issue of changing some base features....I'm an old-style Unix fan who believes we ought to keep the few standards that we do have! I think taking out "kill" and "abort" and removing the name "daemon" is a terrible idea. It has nothing to do with killing a person or aborting a child. That's stretchging things a bit too far. Don't we already have to put up with too much political correctness? I believe as Christians we should be trying to show love, instead of being against everything. Taking little things out of proportion like that will just hurt us more than it will help. I guess if you wanted to make alternative names and link them to the original, that'd be ok, but NO ONE is gonna take away my kill command! And no, I don't find "chmod 666" to be offensive either. Basically I think you've got a good thing going. It's a neat idea that one could actually use their operating system as a witnessing tool. We just have to be careful not to be against things that there's no need to be against. Oh one question: is there an ftp site where I can download the beta software? If it's supposed to be out in December, surely some of the packages are already finished. I don't plan on switching distributions just yet, but I would like to incorperate some of your programs into my existing system. Regards, Jason #===================== Subject: Please add my name to your list I would be very interested in receiving more information about your Jesux distribution as it becomes available. Please ad my name to your announcement list. Thank you Dean Staff #===================== Subject: jesux is this project for real or a joke? if it is real let me know if you need some help in programming for it. thanks. roger #===================== Subject: Jesux in response to the website http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Paul also writes that as much as it depends on you, live peaceably with all men (Romans 12:18). The web-site comes across as hostile to non-Christians (e.g., the use of the word "pagans", and exclusion of a program written by a homosexual). Christ didn't slam people into believing, and he certainly didn't exclude non-believers and sinners. Also note that since the beginning of time the Lord used and uses the work of non-believers to carry out his judgements, and to benefit his people. Now, more than ever, our Christian presentation needs to be one of love and concern, not one of hostility or exclusion. Remember that we don't wrestle flesh and blood, but principalities and powers of the dark! Take care not to lash out against a person or a group -- you'll simply delay or entirely write off any potential he/she/they may have had to come to know Christ. You do your good works as a result of your faith, and let Christ handle the powers of the dark (and your good works as well!). If you truly believe the Bible then you know that, as a believer in and follower of Christ, you have already won! Hostility has no place in the winning camp! You know, it's not the Father's will that ANY should perish -- you certainly couldn't be justified in displaying anything but loving concern for the unsaved. And other bits of feedback: -- Linux is a worldwide operating system, and Christ is for ALL nations. Having *only* American symbols and pledges, while showing your confidence and home spirit, also exudes of pride and discrimination. America is a falling nation, and God has a GLOBAL PURPOSE. -- The Bible clearly says that homosexuality is an abomination to God -- a sin He cannot stand. So you exclude sendmail -- but do you know about the other contributors to Linux? how about the contributions of RedHat personnel? how about the GeoCities network you are on? how about the INTERNET itself? where do you draw the line on exclusions? I'd say to put your line right through the word -- cross it out. If a product meets your needs, include it. Then, if it's author is not a believer, or is a believer and had backslidden, then PRAY for him/her personally and then include a plea for others to pray for the author in the main config file! You don't know the condition of the author's heart. But rest assured you will either hurt him/her or strengthen his/her reservations against Christianity if you continue to follow the pattern you seem to have chosen. Further, you must be terribly careful about what you pass on about another person -- lest you be found guilty of passing along those so juicy bits of gossip so pleasing to mankind's ears. -- Your last feature is pretty bold -- "after the user has proven his worth". To whom?? Are you the judge?? Would you organize a committee of Christians to judge others?? Please, do not discredit our faith nor our brethren by such statements. Certainly we are analyzed by the existing Deacons before being ordained as a new Deacon, and certainly we are voted on by the Church before becoming a Deacon, but could you imagine the rate of participation we'd have if one of the qualifications for a Deacon in 2 Timothy was to "prove his worth to the Church"?? I stand before God through Jesus Christ, my only judge who matters. -- "Optionally disable logins on Sunday, the day of rest" -- so 7th Day Adventists are excluded from using your product? Friend, I hope you see a pattern in your presentation, and further I pray you will re-examine it with Christ as your director. Actually SATURDAY is the proverbial day of rest, if you get technical about it. Typical Christians observe Sunday as the day of the Resurrection of Christ -- no resting on that day! I know many fellow believers who worship on Saturday. Remember Colossians 2:16 -- "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days." Be careful, your actions and words may indeed be judging people if their beliefs aren't exactly as yours. -- In addition to exclusionism, please be aware of *legalism* that also seems to present itself in your web-site, and potentially in your product. We aren't saved because we observe Sunday or even Saturday as a day of rest and concentration on the Lord -- so no restriction forced upon us on that day that may further force observance is of any consequence (except for frustration). Same thing for restrictions on the internet -- we shouldn't look! But certainly a pc sitting at home or otherwise offers others a chance to appease their temptations by visiting immoral sites. And you may also innocently stumble into one of those sites as well -- so I am not NOT agreeing with blocking of immoral web sites. -- Be careful with the games packaged with RedHat. I was playing Boing (or the equivalent -- I forgot the exact name), the ball went down (I missed it), and the commentary WAV said "OH SH____!" -- not exactly a family oriented response in a family game! Linux users' groups abound, and chat rooms too. Often you find folks from around the world participating. I applaud your goal -- the intent of the product. I pray you take this email constructively. As a believer in Christ your great commission is to spread the Good News. Linux offers a worldwide audience, as do many products packaged with the RedHat distribution (e.g. Perl & PostgreSQL). You'll win many more to Christ through a presentation of loving concern. I've prayed for you, and for your product. I also included a copy of this email/response to my linux users' group, which brought the site to my attention. We had a comment or two, but after reading the site I'm surprised not many more! JT Kirkpatrick #===================== Subject: Please reply Is this for real or a joke? #===================== Subject: Re: Jesux On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Jesux Developers wrote: > At 12:04 -0400 1999.09.21, Chris 'PCS' Siefert wrote: > >1) How are you plainng to implement the new user permission structure. > > Not sure yet. My first idea was just to use sudo to do stuff, but someone > else had an idea of how to do some hacks to get it to work. We'll see how > it shakes out. You could always play number games with the user authentication, and allow users in the parent/teacher category to set their process' euid to the child's. > Well, we don't know. That is in the "we don't know" section, after all. > :) The problem is not with the function, but with the connotations of the > word. It is something a lot of people object to. So we are thinking of > providing macros and headers to alias to the function, so it will still > exist, and programs using it will still compile, but people don't have to > use it if they don't want to (they can use another name). Kinda like with > adding hex modes; you just get to avoid using a particular symbol that is > offensive. The problem with this, of course is that people are writing rather non-portable applications, and that using alias' for abort still allows people to call abort if they so desire. Out of curiousity - what inspired you guys to do this and where are you all from? As a Christian computer scientist with some OS knowledge, I find the idea wonderful (although the first thing I'd do after installing Jesux is axe the login screen - I'm all about the separation of church and state:). Are you all affiliated with any particular church at all, or is this a more generic Christian sort of thing? -Chris #===================== Subject: ???
psidfjisf! bwahahhahahaha, this is great stuff! Have you done any other spoofs?
 
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#===================== Subject: uh... where's the punch line? you are joking right? I'm laughing, really... just, tell me that you're joking, please. -joe leblanc #===================== Subject: Jesux mailing list :) Hello! I am writing you through a relay because I work as a temp and don't have access to my regular e-mail today. (I could use Hotmail or something, but I want to use my regular address for the list.) Could you please add me to the mailing list for Jesux? I found out about it from a friend and I would be very interested in keeping updated on it! My only problem is the name...I know it is pronounced "hay-sooks" but I keep wanting to pronounce it "jay-sooks" for some reason! :) Please add xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx to your mailing list for Jesux! Thanks! #===================== Subject: jesux Hie, Please let me have more details on jesux and its time frame. I'm currently using suse. Thanks #===================== Subject: I would love to be on your announcement list I would love to be on your announcement list! Thanks, Chuck Polisher mailto: xxxxxxx@xxxxxx #===================== Subject: foo!? Are you for real :)? /neo "A Bus Station is where buses stop. A Train Station is where trains stop. On my desk, there is a Work Station. -- Jojn Wätte xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx " #===================== Subject: [jinius@netnet.com.sg: Re: [lugs] Jesux] Attachment converted: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Re- [lug (MiME/CSOm) (0005EC35) #===================== Subject: Jesux I would like to be on your mailing list and get that distribution as soon as it comes out Patrik Olterman Check our site out on : http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Bible bashing Wisdom stashing Marriage ring flashing Yours truly: =Lilla P= #===================== Subject: humorous :) i've read a little bit about jesux and find it quite amusing. Why do you do closed development? Publish everyting you do when you do it :) Another note is that you should use postfix as sendmail replacement rather than qmail, since the redistribution terms of qmail is rather unclear, and postfix is much better :) /d #===================== Subject: Jesux announcement list I am definitely interested in more information about the Jesux distrobution. Please put me on your announcement list! A brother in Christ, Joe Carnahan <>< xxx@xxxxxxxxx http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (xxx) xxx-xxxx #===================== Subject: please put me on the annoucement list Dear Jesux Team, Thanks for your good work, please keep me notified when the first distribution comes out. God Bless, #===================== Subject: jesux... Hopefully, Jesus will return before you finish you work on jesux. It sounds ilke a joke. Even as a christian, I assure you that changing the outside of the bowl will not change the inside. As an alien to this planet, it is offensive and sad that you would make fun of Jesus, the king of kings, by making legalistic assertions and asinine efforts to change an operating system. Sin is in the people, not the OS. And if you have to remove yourself from society to see God, then you are a child of satan. Good day. - jalex #===================== Subject: Announcement list would you add me to your announcement list? Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="Louis.Perna.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Louis Perna Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Louis.Perna.vcf" Attachment converted: Bourque:Louis.Perna.vcf (TEXT/ ) (0005F3C8) #===================== Subject: (=?iso-8859-7?Q?=F7=F9=F1=DF=F2=20=E8=DD=EC=E1?=) I wanna be put in your annoucement list!!!Also i would like some more information about Jesux. #===================== Subject: jesux Good joke. (It is a joke, right?:) Mike #===================== Subject: Jesux? Hello, I'm a born again Christian and ran into your web page for Jesux? I'm somewhat curious if you're serious or if this is satire? Take care, #===================== Subject: Your Linux Distru Dude, I'm a christian and I even think this thing your trying to pull off is Lame!!!! Cut out half of this crap.... Brennan Dunn - http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx - xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: Re: Jesux A friend found your site and I was, to say the least, intrigued. I had never heard of a morally cleansed distribution of linux. We introduced your web site into our daily group and got many responses. We also found that our friends had their own christian concerns brought on by everyday use of Linux: -The 'Enlightenment' is associated with a period in the 1700-1800s, characterized by denouncement of religion. You might like Windowmaker as a window manager instead? (It is a good deal faster and smaller) -Definitely forbid inappropriate user and file names. -Along with eliminating encryption, eliminate hidden files. -Other commands to be removed: mount, finger, touch, fsck -Also, wouldn't 'bash' fall under the same un-christian concepts of 'kill' and 'abort'. This, personally, bothered me. On a side note, one of my friends noticed that the mention of 'Jesux' had some of us thinking of something other than an OS. In fact, it looked like the opposite of a site promoting Jesus.. like a youth's blashpemous site concerned with an inside joke of the contraction 'Jesus' and 'Sux'. God Bless You. HotBot - Search smarter. http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: Jesux OS Please put me on the mailing list -- I've been waiting for this all my life. Yours in Christ, Chris Thomas #===================== Subject: [PATCH CSPL] Pronouns refering to the Lord should be c Through the history of computing, technological decisions have been bent towards the will of our Lord. For instance, the decision for teletype machines to write in uppercase so that the name of our Lord could be written properly. And... ummm... teletypes were cool. The CSPL misquoted John 3:16, failing to properly write the pronoun of our Lord. 17,18c17,18 < For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, < that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have #===================== Subject: Jesux. Is this for real? Hello, Is this for real, or am I so dense that I can't detect a spoof? Very interested, Mike Martin #===================== Subject: Jesux Good luck in your quest! Some other parts of the system you'll want to remove: Ghostscript -- written by a prominent homosexual OS filesystem -- (FFS) ditto fsck -- ditto dump/restore -- ditto Perl -- major portions written by homosexuals libdb -- written by perverts --keith #===================== Subject: Subscribe Hi... Saw your website referenced on Nerdperfect.com. Please add me to your mailing list. I would like to know when jesux will be available. Thanks, Steve Walters xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx or xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: Re: Jesux distribution I found mention of your sight on a LUG mailing list, so thought I'd check it out. I was, at first, afraid that someone was slandering the Name, but glad to see it is on the up-and-up. I've often wondered about the coordination of the Christian computer nerd masses--one time a long time ago my dad logged into a Christian BBS, but these things are kind of hard to start because they initially appeal to so few--without users, these attempts are often solely for the authors. But good luck getting Jesux off the ground. As a Christian, a software engineer, and a Unix/Linux hacker, I'd offer to assist in any way possible, but I'm always afraid of volunteering for fear that I shall let someone down--ah, yes, just like the faith... :) But seriously, at a minimum, I could pretest, if you'd like--I have anywhere between 3 and 6 computers running at any one time, and would gladly set up something to test on wide varieties of hardware--486s, Pentiums, Pentium Pros, dual-processor (SMP), etc. Not trying to brag--just saying I have resources to donate to the cause. :) Also, have you considered an Alpha port? I'll guess that very few of your core team (if any) have DEC Alpha machines, but I have two. :) I'd be willing to build and test software for that environment too if you wanted the multi-platform exposure. Personally (despite recently becoming an Intel employee :>), I prefer to promote choice at all possible avenues--this should include the microprocessor. This is why I am glad the Linux movement has ported to Alpha, SPARC, PowerPC, etc. Anyway, if you want Alpha porting/testing, I could do that. (I may also be able to do SPARC testing at some time in the near future as a look to set up a SPARC/Linux box...) Now I have some questions/comments about things noted on your web page, if you have the time. 1. Is there a way we can obtain online Bibles of other translations? 2. Interesting comment about qmail/sendmail. I personally run sendmail here at home, but did not know about the author's "preferences". I tried configuring qmail once, but got tired before I finished. I managed to figure out sendmail once using m4 configuration sources, so that's why I use it. I don't really have any preference in the matter, though. 3. About the encryption... What is really meant by this? I see the note about libcrypt for password authentication, but what other things fall under the "encryption" category, and what under that category would be missing? (I don't really like the term "missing", because I understand what you're trying to achieve.) But, on a practical level, suppose I do my banking on my Jesux/Linux PC. Am I to just leave my PC wide open to the 'net for all to hack in and find account numbers, etc.? I think under several circumstances that "Christians have nothing to hide" may need to be balanced with what I'll dub "personal protection". Or is Jesux' take on it that any undue malicious hacking falls under the category of Persecution to which a Christian should just "turn the other cheek"? I'm not be aggravating; I'm just trying to strike a balance and understand the project coordinators motives. Feel free to comment/respond. 4. Regarding OS features that connote anit-Christian sentiments: Having been a UNIX programmer for 7 or 8 years, I have never understood the connection between a UNIX daemon and the Latin origins (which I just looked up, BTW). I always use and prefer the "day-mun" pronunciation, because I don't like the idea of "dee-muns". But, in actuality they are forms of the same word, so I guess I'm just preferring to hear something different than conventional terminology, but the meaning is the same. I don't know what you would call it, though. The "daemon process" concept is so steeped in the UNIX history, that I think the UNIX culture would be changed if you changed the term. This starts to sound a bit like political correctness--I don't necessarily appreciate it when my pastor "rewords" the Word to use "he or she" in places where the written word only says "he". My take on the subject is a) We all know it was customary language of the time, b) we know the speaker meant all people, not just males, c) we are a smart enough people to hear "he" and think "talking to me"! Likewise with daemon and much of the computer technojargon and vernacular-- there are somethings which just evolve well beyond their "classical" definitions. But if you find a term that is a good substitute for "daemon", I'd like to hear it. On the other samnple terms you list, I agree that these terms are not necessary bad. As for the "oppressive meanings to many people", I'd like more justification before the OS gets rewritten. As an UNIX programmer, I'm not sure what you do to portability, when Jesux no longer supports an abort() function call. That could seriously break things. And I don't know if it would actually be possible. You would then have drempt up a system in which no processes could be aborted or killed. I just don't see this happening. If it is only the label that is offending, maybe there is a way to shelter those who are offended without making the underlying UNIX OS not UNIX! Maybe this will get clarified soon. 5. What's the deal with the Slashdot guys? I didn't understand this paragraph at your website at all. Well, I understood to the extent that Slashdot reports on everything from here to there but [so far] refuses to put a link to the Jesux page. That's just the standard anti-Christian double-standard again. We live in a society that is tolerant and accepting to everyone and every creed except Christianity whose tenents include acceptance. Go figure. Hopefully the world will learn someday. Anyway, yeah, it's disheartening but not surprising that Slashdot is this way, but I didn't understand the "they tried to make it look as thought *we* needed *them*" comment. And who are the pagans to whom you refer? Unless you know for sure, I would hesitate to label an entire web site, all the authors, the folks providing the backing, and all the contributors. While you read a pagan article there every once in a while, I find a lot of useful "neutral" stuff there, and it's a good way to stay in the loop on the Linux front and the small circle of things related. That's all I have for now. Take this note as a word of encouragement, and let me know if you have needs. Maybe you could expand your page (as the project develops) to include a list of "What's needed"... Into my bookmarks you go... Brendan #===================== Subject: Put me on the announce list ................. #===================== Subject: JESUX YOU MUST BE FUCKING JOKING ME! I DON'T BELIEVE THE SHIT MY EYES ARE SEEING! ON WHAT FUCKING PLANET ARE YOU LIVING? WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SMOKING? INCENSE??? I ONLY HOPE YOUR CHILDREN WILL BECOME SATANISTS... #===================== Subject: Deja.com Registration Confirmation Welcome to My Deja! You have registered for My Deja using the email address: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx If you did not register for My Deja, please ignore this message. In order to use many of the Deja.com personalized features (such as posting and Deja Communities), we must confirm your email address. Having our members use confirmed email addresses allows us to minimize "spam" and other problems. To confirm your email address, visit the following Web page: http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx If this link does not work, you will need to copy the entire Web page address (URL) and paste it into your Web browser. As a reminder, your username is jesux and your password is huhhuh. You may wish to keep this email to refer to in case you forget. If you have any questions about My Deja, please refer to the Help page at http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Thanks, Deja.com #===================== Subject: Hmm... Hello... I was just wondering... Doesn't the word "abort" means other things than the meaning that you think is offensive? And the word "Daemon", isn't that spelled in an other way when we speak of evil...? //Thomas #===================== Subject: are you serious? Please tell me that Jesux is a joke... #===================== Subject:
just dismissing other people that differ from your beliefs as pagan is not very Christian. if you want more acceptance, removing derogatory terms such as this from your web page would probably help. i think this OS is a noble cause, and i wish you the best, but there are more non-Christisans in the world than Christian, so be a little more accepting. also, "abort" doesn't carry a bad conotation, it just means to end something... another thing, it doesn't seem like this distro will be very secure (no encryption, no need for root). the only reason i mention this is because i'm sure there will be many a hack attempt at this version of linux. oh well. just my two cents. good luck! :)
 
Matt
#===================== Subject: Christians have nothing to hide? I'd love to interview you about your Jesux Linux distribution. Andrew Leonard Salon.com #===================== Subject: RE: Christians have nothing to hide? You have every right to be suspicious of "liberal" media outlets, but I, in turn, have every right to be suspicious of you. Excuse me for being cynical, but the Web page for Jesux can be read as a pretty darn good joke, precisely the kind of thing that, say, a Red Hat developer might do in their off time. I'd be really interested to know who you are, and whether there are any Christians who would testify on the record to the desirability of a Linux distribution purged of "daemons" and sendmail, and offering counseling from Christian hackers. Aside from that, I'm intrigued as to why bash(1) would be default, and why "chmod(1) accepts hexadecimal modes, such as 0x01B6." I feel like I'm missing something. Andrew -----Original Message----- From: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 10:29 AM To: Andrew Leonard Subject: Re: Christians have nothing to hide? At 9:55 -0700 1999.09.23, Andrew Leonard wrote: >I'd love to interview you about your Jesux Linux distribution. Ask anything you like. We reserve the right to not answer, of course.. We are frankly quite leery of most media outlets, and yours -- being extraordinarily liberal -- that much more. I do not know if you are particularly liberal, as most of the Salon pieces I've read are political, not technological. I did, however, very much like the piece you wrote about Larry Wall. #===================== Subject: Wow! Jesux is one of the funniest pages I've visited in years! Wow! John #===================== Subject: p.s. I am particularly proud of the Larry Wall piece. One of the most righteous articles I've had the pleasure to write. Andrew #===================== Subject: Jesux I ask in all seriousness if your distribution is for real. There are numerous debates I've seen regarding this. I figured I'd find out for myself. If it is true, I pray for you all the good luck you need. Regards, Froggy #===================== Subject: Keep up the good work! Your site is hilarious! I think you should also get rid of the command mount because it reminds me of, well, figure it out. Anthony Rubin #===================== Subject: conceited people hehe, the sendmail was writen by a homosexual so you wont use it? sounds like youall are messed in the head and need some serrious counsling, its a sad day when you see people that are "for" God are bashing his creations... i hope you find some way to forgive those homosexuals, because if you dont, your no "better" than them.. nice talkin to you BTW, your web page is very humorous...keep up the good work! #===================== Subject: cute This is very amusing. I enjoy good parody. Keep up the good work. #===================== Subject: Contradiction in Terms.. Hello there, while recently perusing your site, I noticed what seemed to be glaring contradictions in terms. in the "features" catagory of your distribution, you say: "qmail replaces sendmail as the standard MTA (sendmail was written by a prominent homosexual" however, the license that you will be publishing your distribution/code under states: "Note: the requested requirement that only Christians could redistribute the code was considered and rejected, in accordance with the "No Discrimination Against Persons or Groups" section of the Open Source Definition. We actually agree with this section of the OSD" can you please explain this contradiction in terms? if you have a "no discrimination" policy, why are you clearly discriminating against a homosexual and his peice of software? #===================== Subject: Problems with the Jesux site
I have a couple problems with two items on the Jesux site that could potentially cause you problems.  (Actually, I have other issues with your site, but the rest are matters of opinion.)
 
(1) The term 'daemon,' as used in the UN*X community, is from the ancient Greek daemon, and is not to be confused with the Christian concept of what a "demon" is.  Anyone schooled in a classical education knows this.  The ancient Greek concept of a daemon was something (a spirit, if you will) that had little or no intelligence, but which could perform tasks.  Not exactly a machine, since there was the implication of the daemon being an animate entity.
 
This is one of the most misunderstood terms in modern computer parlance, and I cringe any time I see this kind of reckless historical/linguistic revisionism.  (Just to be fair, I have the same problem with feminists changing the spelling of "woman" and "women" to "womon" and "wimmin.")
 
Similar remarks could be made about the removal of intrinsically harmless words such as "abort" and "kill."  Context means everything.
 
(2) The Christian Software Public License would ONLY be applicable to source code that is ENTIRELY original.  If your group attempts to subvert the GNU Public License (aka, the GNU Copyleft) by taking GPLed code and modifying it, then redistributing under the CSPL, you could get into some serious hot water.  The GPL clearly states that any software that is in any way source-derivative from GPLed code MUST also fall under the GPL.  (This is why haters of the Open Source initiative call the GPL the "GPL virus.")
 
One more thing... if you really want to appeal to international users who are Christians, you might want to omit the Pledge of Allegiance (which is strictly a U.S. custom) from your login screens.
 
Respectfully,
Rob Poole
 
#===================== Subject: Qmail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- If you haven't read the distribution license to qmail yet, I suggest you take a look at: ftp://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx You are basically not allowed to distribute a working copy of Qmail, as the top of http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mentions, you need a patch to Qmail's DNS handling to get it to be able to send mail to AOL reliably. But the Qmail license strictly forbids distribution of any source or binaries that are not an exact replica of Bernstein's distribution. Aaron Hopkins xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: Jesux ... This is easily the funniest thing I've read in the last 3 or 4 months. Thanks for the laugh. :) Cheers, Jason. #===================== Subject: Juesux On your site you say: >Also, we are seriously considering changing some fundamental OS features. The >idea would be that function calls and features >suggesting evil and otherwise pagan ideas would be >changed. >abort(3) >kill(1) >references to "daemon" What will you change them to? Just wondering... --Abby #===================== Subject: Your offering. I visited your web page. Facinating piece of work. First off ... I'm not Christian, and would never use your system. Second off ... It looks like you have spent a lot of time and thought on this, and it looks like you have a strong, consistant idea. I hope it works for you. A few notes. From what I recall, people say that there are angels always offering a helping hand, to get things done for goodly people. Perhaps, instead of letting the processes that run, and help get things done be called daemons, you could call them angels. (BTW, they come from the concept of servant, not evil-doer, but ... in this day and age, I can understand the connotation is not always the denotation) "kill" and "abort" can probably be replaced with "stop" and "halt" with little or no confusion. At least, once you have decided which maps to which. I suggest that you break down the default fortune file into several parts. Some people think some of the pieces quoted by, say CS Lewis are not ... as acceptable as true biblical quotes. By breaking it down and letting people choose which files they wish to include, then you don't have to worry about someone taking offence. Qmail was also authored (at least in part) by folks of the homosexual, and homosexually friendly persuasion. So was bind and named. You might want to either consider the product, and not the source, or consider what you wish to do without very carefully, for without named, the computer wouldn't be findable by others on the network. You might also want to put on a clock-function that chimes Compline, Vespers, et al, probably with a selectable set of which hours are appropriate for the user in question. You might also want to make sure the internationality functions are working, at least as far as Latin is concerned. I would think that perhaps, instead of John 3:16 you might want to put up things like "Thou shall not steal" and "Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you" and that greed is one of the 7 deadly sins, to remind people not to take what you and others have wrought for their own profit. You might also want to tone down, or reword your 4th point on the CSPL so it doesn't sound like vanity over the name "Jesux". (Also, you might want to move to something more nutral like "JesOS" rather than "Jesux" especially if you are going to change thinks like kill, abort, and references to daemons, so people completely familiar with Linux and it's derivatives will be given a heads-up that things are different around here.) There is also a larger and larger body of iluminated works available in various forms, ps files pdf files and the like. There are also a few tools out there (that can easily be improved on, by dedicated programmers) that help with illuminating various texts. You might want to see about either including them in, or offering them as a package on your site, or the like. One of the calendars I was reading mentioned that there are very few days that don't have at least one saint associated with it. Perhaps you could make an optional feature to the above clock/calendar, (or maybe just an ical file that could be included in the ical program, or the emacs calendar program) that has a bit on the saint or saints appropriate for the day. Oh ... and another note. The millinium doesn't end till the end of December 2000, January 1, 2001 is the start of the new Millinium, so you have plenty of time to get your system out and in use for others. It is a pitty that Gates' products aren't as customizable as Linux is, so you could provide multi-platform comfort. But I'm glad you are starting with Linux. For from my point of view, the more people who want to see the gospel on their computer, and therefore run what you have built, the more people are familiar with the ease and delight of a Unix (or Unix like) operating system. My regards, and a salute to your effort. While I'd never use it, I'm sure it will be a comfort to others. Justan Other Dave #===================== Subject: New Distribution Hello, I would very much like to place an order for the first version of Jesux to be released. How would I go about doing so ? Could I distribute it at my Church on Sundays freely? How much will the distribution cost? When will it be ready for release? Will you also change the references to Zombies in the TOP output, I find that particularly offensive? Will there be any plans for Catholic vs. Baptist vs. Episcopal kernels or types of X windows implementations? Have you considered making a Jewish distribution to leverage your religious footprint in the OS market, or will you solely be a Christian distribution of Linux?? #===================== Subject: Interesting An interesting endeavor, and totally consistent with the Creation mandate to "subdue and rule". Piece by piece, person by person, Christ's redemptive power is subduing....and freeing the world. What a paradox...yet absolutely consistent with the Scriptures!?! What a concept. Keep praying that "they may have eyes to see, and ears to hear", and know that the church is even bigger than we imagine:-) Grace and peace to you. #===================== Subject: jesux... is it a joke?? Hi, sounds like an interesting idea, but is it a joke??? S. #===================== Subject: Yeah!!! I think what you are doing is great. Add me to your list. I am a software developer and would love to help when the code is made available. #===================== Subject: Re: New Distribution Hello, Will I be notified by email or Divine Intervention on the day of actual release ? Les ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesux Developers xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx To: Les Garten xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Omegaman xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 7:04 AM Subject: Re: New Distribution > At 5:19 -0500 1999.09.24, Les Garten wrote: > > I would very much like to place an order for the first version of Jesux > >to be released. > > We have no plans to take orders; initial distribution will be through the web. > > > >How would I go about doing so ? Could I distribute it at > >my Church on Sundays freely? How much will the distribution cost? > > As the license notes, it is free. If you are unfamiliar with open source > licenses, see http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx for more information. > > > >When > >will it be ready for release? > > This too was noted on the web site. We are aiming for December. > > > >Will you also change the references to > >Zombies in the TOP output, I find that particularly offensive? > > We are not planning on it, though if we get support, we likely will (with > the help of volunteers) go through many programs and remove offensive (or > potentially so) terminology. > > > >Will there > >be any plans for Catholic vs. Baptist vs. Episcopal kernels or types of X > >windows implementations? > > No. Our plans are to be sect- and demonination-inspecific. Christ is our > bond. > > > >Have you considered making a Jewish distribution > >to leverage your religious footprint in the OS market, or will you solely be > >a Christian distribution of Linux?? > > We are not Jewish, and we are no interested in any certain percentage of > the OS market. We are only here to provide for those who have a specific > need. > > Thanks, and God bless, > > -- > Jesux, The distribution that will not lead you into temptation > http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx > #===================== Subject: please inform me about jesux-news fine idea! please put xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx on your annoucement list. thanks, our mighty god bless you schmidy - gerhard schmid #===================== Subject: Sendmail written by a HOMOSEXUAL???? Now is there any indication in _any_ of the read-me files of Send-mail that mentions the writers sexual (dis)-orientation? If no such things are found, then way do you feel the need to announce it publicly? #===================== Subject: Jesux information request Hello, Saw a link to your page on this week's issue of the UK-based Need To Know e-zine (http://xxxxxxxxxxxxx Please send me further information when Jesux is released. Thanks. Rhys Jones, Swansea, Wales #===================== Subject: is this a joke? #===================== Subject: Re: Contradiction in Terms.. On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Jesux Developers wrote: > At 14:48 -0700 1999.09.23, Christian Hedegaard-Schou I wrote: > >can you please explain this contradiction in terms? if you have a "no > >discrimination" policy, why are you clearly discriminating against a > >homosexual and his peice of software? > > You misunderstand the license terms. They relate to who may use and > redistribute the software, not who can pariticpate in its creation or > initial distribution. > > Thanks, and God bless, so then, back to what I'm asking, you *DO* discriminate against persons and groups, right? if you don't discriminate, then why can only a certain few participate in it's creation and inition distribution? #===================== Subject: Re: Contradiction in Terms.. On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Jesux Developers wrote: > At 9:31 -0700 1999.09.24, Christian Hedegaard-Schou I wrote: > >so then, back to what I'm asking, you *DO* discriminate against persons > >and groups, right? > > Of course. Who doesn't? Would you let everyone in the world work for you, > or only those who you deemed qualified and had room for? God > discriminates, too: not everyone gets into heaven. > > > >if you don't discriminate, then why can only a certain few participate in > >it's creation and inition distribution? > > Linus doesn't let everyone work on his code. Apache has a small group of > people who have control over it. I don't see why this is a problem. Think > on. well, in response to your idiocy, you should see what has been started.. take a look at xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/xxxxx #===================== Subject: jesux ok, you got me: is this for real, or not? (if it is, i think you'd be better pronouncing it jee-sux, 'cos hay-sux sound dodgy) cheers, #===================== Subject: got sin? -sinux: the distribution that will lead you into temptation -sc -got sin? get sinux. http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: heh Thanks, I needed a good laugh for today. This is the laughing stock of the internet, I hope you know. My co-workers and I had a great time with it. :) #===================== Subject: Jesux Please send me more info and put me on your announcement list. Thanks! Bob Burman - xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: The Mode of the Beast chmod(1) should be modified in Jesux to disallow files to be set -rw-rw-rw-. This heathenous file mode corresponds to 0666 in octal, THE MODE OF THE BEAST! File modes represented as 666 in other counting schemes (decimal, hex) should be allowed, since octal is the One True mode description format. All others are mistranslations and false marks designed to lead us astray. #===================== Subject: Clarification... Brothers and Sisters... There is an argument raging as to whether or not this is a hoax. Estimates range from 0.5 to 0.99 sure. Please enlighten. Thanks #===================== Subject: jesux Is this for real??? #===================== Subject: Is this for real? That's just what I was wondering... Tell me, would anyone besides a Christian want this? If so, why? Thanks, Greg #===================== Subject: Jesux Hi, Are you for real? That is are you actually coming out with a Christian Linux distribution? Jeff #===================== Subject:
Please, please, please tell me that this is one of the funniest joke pages I have ever seen.
Or please, at least respond.
 
Confused,
Dan
 
Is man one of God's blunders or is God one of man's blunders?
#===================== Subject: Jesux Hey there! I love what you're doing with Jesux. Please put me on your annoncement list. Also, if you want a free webpage at my domain, dookie.net, just say so. You can have http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx if you like. You also get an email address. Please mail me back if this sounds good. Jeff #===================== Subject: jesus mail replaces sendmail as the standard MTA (sendmail was written by a prominent homosexual we are considering postfix too, due to popular request) I'm ashamed that people like you take advantage of Linux for your mean ends. A. Bodemer #===================== Subject: hmm
ya, ya, i read the latest news.
 
This is a joke, right?
 
Tell me, or I'll make Satanux.
#===================== Subject: jesux sounds great, except... The pledge of allegience? American symbols? The KJV is the only version you can trust (what about the admitted mistranslations, etc?) Sounds more like some USA-worshipping bible cult than Christianity. Too bad, it sounded like a neat idea, but only a small sect of christians in America go for that kind of mixed-religion thing. Come on, you cannot serve two masters. It's either Jesus or the Republican party. You can decide. They are *not* compatible. Render unto Caesar what is Caesars' and to God what is God's. in Christ, Scott #===================== Subject: Jesux Are you guys serious, or just being foolish? #===================== Subject: farce, or reality? do you truly intend to release such a linux distro, (jesux), or is this some sort of joke? -- moss #===================== Subject: subscribe Hey Im interested in this distribution i dont know if id be willing to switch over from slackware to redhat .... but its very interesting what your doing ..... I dont know if theres anything i could help out on..... please add me to contact list...... #===================== Subject:
Dear Sirs:
 
I believe your upcoming Christian distribution is blasphemous. Your name, "Jesux", connotates that Jesus sux (sucks).
 
Please refrain from using this name.
 
Your Friend in God,
 
Rev. Falwell
#===================== Subject: It is funny That you can believe in the science that makes computers, and yet you don't beleive the science that debunks notions like adam & eve. -joshua #===================== Subject: Suggestion. I'd suggest that you build the distro. around SuSE Linux, simply because it's a much better distro. It's installer (Yast) is very good. GLAD to see the effort from Christians in Linux!!! I started using Linux about a year ago, not just because NOTHING from MS is stable, but for moral reasons. I simply can not, nor will NOT support Microsoft. Best, Fred #===================== Subject: Announcement list. Please put me on your announcement list. Thanks! Fred #===================== Subject: a few Questions? Hello, I love the idea, and I have a few questions for you 1. have you guys have a server, that will distrubuete your guys stuff, as well will you be getting you own domain? The reason I ask this is that I am a christian, and I am a linux adminastrator and I am willing to migrate my servers over to jesux because it's a great Idea, and I maybe able to help with distrobution, but I will have to look into it. Brent Higgs #===================== Subject: Mailing list I would like to be put on your mailing list for when this product comes out. Thanks. #===================== Subject: Jesux, of course Greeting friends, I was given a link to your site by a friend, and I have to say it - wow! I am thoroughly impressed with the creative initiative you guys (and/or gals) have taken upon yourselves with this project. Your concept is of the utmost interest to my colleagues and myself, please add my email address to your announcement list. If you'd prefer to use an address without "Hell" in it, you're welcome to send mail to xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx My server is occaisionally offline (not frequently, but it happens), so if you try to mail me and you can't connect to me, please try again after a few hours. -Hell Fire PS - might I also suggest the removal of any refernces to the Linux penguin "Tux" - Linus apparently was quoted as saying that he should appear something along the lines of 'gorged and shagged' - as both gluttony and lust are sins, he's obviously right out.. oh - and remove any references to *BSD.. their mascot being a devil... #===================== Subject: I *hope* this is a hoax cos: references to "daemon" is laughable. Try reading some history and etymology anyway, this is also good for a laugh: http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: content Churches need Fund Accounting Software. This is unique to churches and government. Most people do not understand the difference and fail to grasp the need. Also Fund Accounting software Tends to be expensive. p.s. I'm not pleased with the tone of the distribution. Build for assist many, not just a small niche. #===================== Subject: Your linux distribution While I'm not a practicing Christian, I do understand (in theory) your desire to have a Christian distribution of Linux. Most of the changes you list are nothing that many people don't do anyway (like the sendmail-qmail thing). However, I am concered with the changing of abort, kill, and the daemon references. Being a *nix user I think that changing these names is a grave error. Changing these references because of there meaning in another context I find plain silly. Here is an example "Look at those tits" Am I talking about a pair of breasts or two birds? (there is a bird species called tit). The english language has tens of thousands of words with multiple meanings, if people stop using words because they don't like one of the meanings we will not be able to communicate with one another. That said, I am glad to see that if you do go ahead with this your current plan is simlinks, macros, etc. And if you do go ahead with this plan, please put up a splash page durring the install process _explaining_ this. I just think that people should understand what the words mean in context. After all _anything_ can be taken out of context. Peace. -fjr #===================== Subject: Two Cents Open letter to the creators of Jesux... This is America (I'm assuming you are in the us, as your site made no mention of your home location, and typicly, that is only done by Americans who seem to think that ours is the only country of the net... ) and here, in this land we have freedom, not only in speach, but _from_ religious persicution... I have no problems with your desire to create a distro.. but I would like to raise a few points to you... to quote from your homepage... "Jesux will aim to be an environment that is pleasant for Christians to work in, with all the amenities a Christian might expect, and when possible, free from worldly influences. " What exactly is wrong with "worldly influences? The cynical side of me cannot help but think that this is typical x-tian retoric, denying the average man and woman freedom of thought... Kinda like those "godless" communists you guys pray to save all the time. Exactly who decides what's right and whats wrong? Do you get your links and code directly from god? Has god spoken to you and told you that slashdot.org is unwashed and in need of a good ol fashioned rebirth? I would feel the same way if any other sect or religion decided to preapprove links and code for it's followers. This is a slippery road your on, and, to quote an old and untraceable phrase "The road to hell is paved with your good intentions" Second, I'd really like to ask you what about simply letting non x-tians download your so far non existant vaporware makes you feel that it conforms to open source standards... to quote from your homepage again... "All new code will be provided under the Christian Software Public License, an Open Source-compatible license. Go ahead and check it out. The final CSPL is very similar to the BSD license, where the required advertising is the text of John 3:16 from the King James Version of the Bible. (Note: the requested requirement that only Christians could redistribute the code was considered and rejected, in accordance with the "No Discrimination Against Persons or Groups" section of the Open Source Definition. We actually agree with this section of the OSD ..." Simply creating a denominational distribution breaks this rule... as modern x-tianity is synonymous with discrimination against others (non belivers of your faith, and well known groups that you disagree with... such as homosexuals.. ) If you belive in the policy, why aren't you following it? The simple fact that you've had requests to make it only available to x-tians proves my point better than a thousand words could. I would feel the same way if someone from my faith ( Zen Buddist) created a simmilar distro. Although it truly bothers me from many angles, I feel this describes it best. Third.. I've touched on this already but, to reitterate, and to quote you one more time... "qmail replaces sendmail as the standard MTA (sendmail was written by a prominent homosexual " This completely ruins your attempt to be open source. As removing somehting becuse of the programmer, is a textbook example of discrimination. What difference does it make who wrote what? Surely you realize this can't be the only homosexual programmer that's ever written anything for unix? And let me pose this question to you... If say, you were to find out that unidentifiable parts of the kernel source were created by a homosexual, would this stop your distro? Or your use of any linux kernel? If you are to follow the same logic as you did with sendmail, it most certainly would cause a problem for you. To me, it makes no difference who wrote my software. And although there are a million other reasons to ditch sendmail in favor of something more secure, you've chosen to attack the programmers sexual orientation, rather than the obvious security flaws in his code. Once again, open source is against discrimination in all forms, and this is yet another example of how you've broken these tenants. Finaly, the lack of encryption. Don't you feel it's important to hide financial data? Personal records? Is system security less of an issue to x-tians? As many church websites as I've seen defaced in the recent years, I would imagine this would be high on your priority list.. but hey, I'm logical, go figure.. And as a side note... since when did cryptography become a sin? Last time I checked, your God had no encryption policy.. guess I'm out of touch.. To close, I would like to say, thank you for taking the time to read this. Do not take it as an attack on cristianity, only as a reminder that religion has no place in open source. I welcome your comments and rebuttals, and will forward this message and it's child threads (if any) in their entirity to any and all opensource sites I frequent. - Grant Robertson (blackice) #===================== Subject: lordy This project of yours is the most ridiculous xtian pap I have EVER seen on the Internet. Even the miraculous band-aid pales in comparison to the sheer unadulterated geekery that you people are involved in. I think what you need to do is get out from behind that computer screen of yours and go get a life somewhere. Have a drink, a laugh, maybe even get laid. You xtians may have an easy time of it in the USA, but over here in the UK where most people are atheists, you are objects of ridicule. Really, the lowest of the low in terms of "would like to be friends with" factor. You should all have a think about that. It's not too late to turn back from the brink; I'm sure you all have a few years left on this planet, why not try to live them? Keith. http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: HOORAY!!! First of all, THANKS!!! I am a parent of two girls and I just cant seem to keep up with the potential "bad stuff" that is out on the net. This approach seems to be from the inside of the OS out. This is really a fantastic idea. In addition to being a parent, I'm a born again believer and a Solaris certified sys/networkadmin working as a contractor for the U.S. Air Force(previously enlisted). If you need someone else that is a Christian to help with building packages, configure scripts, documentation, etc. let me know. Oh ya, I first loaded slackware in '96 and I've been on RedHat since version 4.2. If you want to verify my beliefs, find out what my point of views are, etc. then I can (hopefully) give you a good reply to your questions(church I attend, stance on different denominations, controversial issues, etc). I would be honored to be a part of your "team". God Bless You!!! Jonathan Zuilkowski xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: your dist's name You might consider changing "Jesux" to something that looks less like the merging of "Jesus" and "sux". ;) Jeff #===================== Subject: Your linux distribution... Hello, I am a Christian, and I enjoy and use Linux quite a bit. Having spent many years as a heathen American, the name you chose for your distribution offends me greatly. The first thing I see when I see the name Jesux is a shortened form of "Jesus sux", which to me is an appalling and hideous phrase. I do not stand alone in this observation. Others have said the same. I know most of my friends who were former heathens will agree with me, and those I use to hang out with who are still heathens would think the same. Jesus is my Lord and Savior. He forever changed the course of my life, which was headed towards death and destruction. To see fellow Christians promote a product with a so easily abuses the name of my King appalls and offends me greatly. Apart from that, I have no real gripes or complaints about your distribution. "daemon" references have bothered me some, as does the icon for the BSD unix distros. abort(3) and kill(1), well in their unix context, I don't have any trouble with them. But because of the name you chose, I will do my best to NOT recommend your product to anyone, instead when your product is mentioned, I will say how sad that fellow Christians are stupidly being so offensive to my Lord and King. What matters is not you intend, but how most non Christian Americans will view what you saying about Jesus. Because I can't stand by quietly when others drag my Lord's name in the mud, Dwight Schauer Work: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx School: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: Please add me to your announcement list Hello, I read about Jesux on Linux Today, and I would like to be added to your announcement list. I'm a Christian and a programmer, so I'm interested in what you're doing and am willing to help in any way I can. By the way, I like the fact that the Web site is written in valid HTML; this is a good way to make it accessible to a wide variety of browsers, including text-only and speech-based browsers (which are used by some visually-impaired people). Thanks, Matt Campbell #===================== Subject: "Jesux" As a Chrstian, I must wonder why you have desired to replace sendmail for the sole reason that the author is a homosexual. We are all sinners and so based on this generalisation would make Jesux quite "small" (well pretty much non-existant). Also you might note that qmail is not open source (it is not DFSG compliant) - you might want to consider replacing that with exim, or smail, which are open source. You state "no encryption provided" - obviously you might think that Christians might not need to hide information or data, but consider that PGP can also be used as a verification tool (pgp signatures) and netscape contains ssl (for credit card details which I wouldn't want to put in cleartext), and ssh is generally useful to prevent cracking attacks. Also when I first obtained accounts on some machines, the admin e-mailed me the password PGP encrypted - you might find a lot of admins do this, and so it is only more annoying for the user if they wish to obtain a shell account on a remote machine. Attempting to change abort(3) is simply stupidity in itself. This would require changing *all* applications that use it and the C library itself. It would present you with a huge maintenance issue, and would make developing for your distribution painful. Replacing the kill command would complicate things for all developers (you could change the name to raise but...), however not liking the word abort is simply bizarre - it has far more prominent meaning than to abort a foetus. Anyway, a number of elements of your distribution are interesting - although I have no wish to use such a distribution (I find Debian GNU/Linux far nicer to use than Redhat and Redhat derivatives) I think it would be nice if you made these easily available so that some of the useful functionalities will make their way into alternative distributions. Regards #===================== Subject: Some (hopefully helpful) suggestions Let me start out by saying I am a devout Christian. (One of the conservative Lutheran variety, so I don't use the term "born again" but by standard evangelical standards I certainly am.) I think what you are doing is admirable in many ways - having prescreened bookmarks and .newsrc's is a really good idea. I like the idea of hierarchical /home filesystems too. >From a technical standpoint, though, changing of system internals (like abort and kill) is a big mistake. Lots of software depends on the existence of those function calls or commands, and changing them would be a huge hassle. (You would have to check all of the software in the distribution, and trying to compile generally available software would be a problem too.) Furthermore, what would you change these terms to? How can you guarantee that these keywords are not used elsewhere as function calls or whatever? >From a Christian point of view, I understand why you have a problem with abort and kill. But these terms do not necessarily have to have negative (or anti-Christian) meanings. For example one may "abort" a space shuttle launch, usually with the intention of protecting innocent life rather than destroying it. One may "kill" a cow or pig to gain sustenance from it, and this is a God-pleasing thing. (q.v. Peter's vision in Acts 10 or so, before he went to Cornelius.) Changing the name of daemons is probably easier. One semi-humorous suggestion I saw on Usenet a couple of years ago was "paenguin", so you would have an httpp, smtpp, etc. #===================== Subject: slashdot.org I have never heard them profess Christ as their personal saviour, but I know the two guys CmdrTaco and Hemos went to a Christian College and apparently by will. Just thought I'd note that. My personal request to you in this distrobution, is to ultimately put God first. Secondly, don't be so critical towards the linux community, as it says in Romans "For all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God." I look at the whole world being product of sinful man, and even Christian sinful man. No institution on earth is perfect, and I think you have made a few extreem remarks such as not choosing sendmail, because the main programmer was a homosexual. Well, look at Eric Raymond, writer of FetchMail who professes to be a Warlock, and Linus Torvalds who doesn't profess Jesus as his personal savior, or even yourselves who have fallen to sin every day. It says in Jerimiah that, "The heart is deceitful above all things." I pray you will be as accepting to the linux community as Jesus was to the prostitute woman. No need to cause a rucus, sure force is good at times, as Francis Schaffer talks about, but in this context I think just being there and becoming friends with the linux community and getting a place in it will be sufficient for now. "Holier than Thou" is not what I want to see Christians portraying, especially at such a large scale. I don't know if you know this, but Larry Wall, the Perl Guru is a Christian, and talks about it in an article with Linux Journal. There will be no witness for you if you continue making statements similar to the attitude portrayed on your website, the WE DON'T NEED YOU, WE HAVE GOD! That may in fact be true, but I don't think Jesus would say that, because if it did, he wouldn't have bothered coming to earth and dying on the cross. It's a very selfish and prideful statement. I hope you will make a distrobution Christ wants out there, with the help of every soul that chooses to help. If it is like the gay guy who develops for sendmail, his program would be used for God's glory and that would be the best possible senario. Please don't give Christians a bad name! God bless, and much prayer. -Guy Fain IV #===================== Subject: a question... Hi fellow believers, I was very pleased to read about Jesux, your planned Christian Linux distribution. I was saddened however, by your plan to include an optional system lockout on Sunday only. I am a Seventh-day Adventist, and am very devoted to my growing faith, to the Word, and to the spreading of the Gospel message of salvation. I believe that the core of the Judeo-Christian ethic lies in the concept of Community. In order to facilitate this community concept optimally, it becomes necessary to carefully study the culture in which our Savior lived and preached. As a Christian grows from glory to glory, the purely behavioral nature of the salvation dynamic becomes apparent to the believer. Observance of the Biblical Sabbath, which lasts from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday is, in my opinion, a vital part of the nurturing of Christian character, which better facilitates our fellowship in the Lord, our Christian Community. Although I personally see nothing wrong with getting online on the Sabbath (it is Sabbath afternoon as I write this,) I know that there are many SDA's who think otherwise. Seventh-day Adventism is pluralistic, as has been the Judeo-Christian ethic since its beginnings. All of us observe the Biblical Sabbath, however. It makes us stronger, better focused Christians. I might suggest that you allow for the selection of the desired Day of Rest in your installation software. At the present time there are over 10,000,000 baptized Seventh-day Adventists worldwide, and many millions more who respect our devotion to the Word. I personally hope to receive a blessing from the use of the software you are developing, and I'm sure many other SDA's would too. I am running Mandrake 6.0 at the present time on a homebuilt system. God bless, Tom Wantz #===================== Subject: http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Node/4081/ This site is a joke, right? Well, it made me roll on the floor anyway :) #===================== Subject: Regarding Jesux chmod(1) accepts hexadecimal modes, such as 0x01B6 This one is my favorite. I almost cried. You guys are a hoot. #===================== Subject: Hay-sooks! i am so excited! this is going to be great! please add me to your announcement list. josh l. HotBot - Search smarter. http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: Jesux In the Jesux home page, a few items struck me as odd: 1. KJV is the only English version that can be fully trusted. 2. No encryption provided; Christians have nothing to hide. 3. Login screen has full text to Lord's Prayer and Pledge of Allegiance. 4. Optionally disable logins on Sunday, the day of rest. #1 - Why would anyone consider the KJV as the only one that can be trusted? What about the RASV or NIV? #2 - I can think of lots of legitimate reasons to have encryption; having something to hide and having a secure computer are not the same. #3 - Why the pledge of Allegiance? My allegiance is to God. #4 - The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. Besides, the Sabbath is Friday evening to Saturday evening. #===================== Subject: (no subject) what a fucking joke you are. JeSUX is a blatant ripoff of RH. and btw your BSD-style license of a GPL distro, is against what GPL stands for. fucken lamer #===================== Subject: Linux This sounds like a good idea. Put me on your announcement list so I know when it is ready please. Thank you Stephen #===================== Subject: you are mad. enough said. #===================== Subject: hi xxxx@xxxxx /root]$ chmod 666 /etc/issue chmod: invalid file mode: 666 xxxx@xxxxx /root]$ hmmm bash: hmmm: command not found hhaahahhahahah LOL!! #===================== Subject: questions I thought the King James Bible is considered to be grossly inaccurate? Also, do you realize that at least 6 members of the core linux team are homosexuals? Alan Turing was a homosexual, too. You had also send a survey out to the creator of every program in the RedHat distro asking if they are homosexuals. Unless you wish to be hypocritical [although that would be characteristic of Christians] you had better rethink your idea. Are you aware that the enlightenment window manager is from a deeply anti-religious movement? What does the egoistic statement, "Christians have nothing to hide" do with encryption? How about you give me your credit card number? Ultimately, everything you propose is completely ludicrous. Here's an interesting essay related to your views on the kill process: from http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx The Death Toll People and cities slaughtered by God or on his orders. (And please don't say this is the old testament and doesn't apply to christians...Jesus is God, right? And if it's in the bible and you're a christian you have to believe it's true) This document is currently being modified to include chapter and verse references and for cosmetic reasons. Thank you for your patience. Also, thanks to Jeff for providing those chapters and verses. My apologies for the lack of chapter and verse notation. At the time I was reading the bible, I never thought this happy little list would ever be seen by anyone but myself. The effort required to look up each and every incident is too much for someone with a limited amount of time, such as myself. And NO! I don't hate god because he killed a bunch of people. Do you hate Freddy Krueger because he killed a bunch of people? You cannot hate things which do not exist. The number dead if stated is listed to the left. I have starred my personal favorite "acts of God," as far as meanness and utter disregard for innocence or guilt. Anyone who thinks TV is violent should read this book. The random unjustified slaughter is amazing. Killed by God ? -- Drowned everyone in the whole world except for Noah and his family (Genesis 7) 1 -- Saltified Lot's wife (Genesis 19:26) ? -- Burned all of the people of Sodom and Gomorrah (except for "good" Lot who offered his virgin daughters to a mob of men and then slept with both of them himself later) 1 -- Slew Er, Judah's firstborn son (Genesis 38:7) 1 -- Er's brother, Onan (38:10) ? -- The firstborn in all of Egypt ? -- Drowned the pharoah and all of his gang in the Red Sea 2 -- Nadab and Abihu for making a fire ? -- Burned some Jews for complaining ? -- Sent a plague against Jews for being greedy 11 -- Sent a plague on Jews who gave the chosen land a bad report ? -- Korah and other Jews who didn't like Moses 14,700 -- Sent a plague on Jews apparently for the hell of it "many" -- Sent serpents on Jews ? -- Philistines 50,070 -- Jews who looked in the ark of the covenant 1 -- Nabal for scorning David 1 -- Uzzah for touching the ark when trying to keep it from falling 1 -- David and Bathsheba's child 70,000 -- Sent a pestilence because David sinned 102 -- Sent fire down on Ahaziah's men 42 -- Sent bears to kill children who mocked Elisha ? -- Sent lions to kill invaders 185,000 -- Assyrians 80,000 -- Lots of bad Israelites Killed on God's orders by the Jews ? Jacob's sons killed every man in Shechem 3,000 Jews worshipping the golden calf 1 Man gathering wood on a Sunday ? Canaan ? Took the city of Heshbon from the Amorites ? All of the people of Bashan 24,000 Jews who followed Baal ? All Midianites except for the virgin girls ? Everyone in Jericho but Rahab, a hooker who betrayed her city ? Achan and his family(who had nothing to do with it) for stealing ? Everyone in the cities of Ai, Makkedah, Libnath, Jarmuth, Geder, Hormah, Arad, Addellam, Bethel, Tappuah, Hepher, Apheh, Lasheron, Madon, Tasnach, Megiddo, Kedesh, Jokneam, Dor, Goiim, Terzah, and all of the Amorites. 10,004 The men of Bezek ? The people of Jerusalem, Sheshai, Ahiman, and Talmai ? The people of Zephath, Gaza, Ashkelon, Ekron, and the king of Moab, Eglon. ? The army of Sisera and the men of Karkor ? Jephthah destroyed 20 cities ? Samson killed 30 men who solved his riddle, the Philistines, and tons of people when he died 50,100 The men of the tribe of Benjamin ? The tribe of Jabesh-gilead ? The Ammonites, the Philistines and the Amelekites 331,269 David killed a whole bunch of people 3 Solomon killed a few people too ? All of Jeroboam's extended family ? All of Baasha's extended family 450 Prophets of Baal 793,000 All Jewish Baal-followers 127,000 Arameans 1 Man who wouldn't strike a prophet ? Moabites 172 Jezebel, Ahab's sons, Joram, their priests, and their friends 142 Ahaziah's relatives ? All of Baal's followers 1 Athaliah for killing sons 1 Mattan the Baal priest 10,002 Edomites and two servents ? All of the pregnant women in Tirzah 20,000 Hezekiah killed a bunch of people 500,000 Israelites killed each other 50,000 Ethiopians 23,000 Seerites 510 Haman's army 75,300 More of the army So the grand total comes to: more than 399,933 people killed by God ...going only on the numbers listed (not counting, oh, say, the entire population of the world at the time of Noah, 3 cities, and other such things that were not enumerated in the Bible). more than 2,017,956 people killed by followers of God ...not even counting the 65 cities they destroyed without seeing fit to give any numbers. Oh, and we don't want to forget... ? Satan killed Job's children after God told him that he could. Whoo-hoo, what a bad guy in comparison with our just and merciful Lord God. #===================== Subject: Suggestion
Hi,
 I'm a 16 year old pagan living in Derbyshire, England and as such I have to complain about the phrase "features suggesting evil and otherwise pagan ideas".
   Whilst you are of course entitled to your own view on my religion, I, and most other members of the pagan community, believe in religious tolerance and would ask you to do the same.
 
 
There, do I sound evil to you?  
#===================== Subject: 'jesux' name People keep asking me if jesux is some kind of 'jesus sux' abreviation? You actually have 'sux' and jesu in the same name... You can't pick a better name? --j #===================== Subject: Brillant! Dear Mr. Skaggs, Truely brillant! You hit the nail right on the head. Erik #===================== Subject: Miscellaneous Just a few points from a long-time *NIX user and Christian: 1) Why change chmod when it can alraedy be used in without numbers? ie chmod ogw+rwx vi = chmod 777 vi chmod gw-w vi removes write access from group and world 2) I've always considered encryption to be more of a security precaution than trying to hide something. If I have to send out information that could compromise the security of my home, work, or computer systems I send it out encrypted. Encryption is also necessary if you wish to do online purchasing with an on-line check or credit card. I also use ssh with encryption to connect to my server at work via the internet to take care of administrative duties from home. 3) While the words "abort", "kill", and "daemon" may suggest evil or pagan ideas other symbols that may be used in their places will not have exactly the same meanings. This will also cause confusion to those that already work with *NIX or will end up working with *NIX in the future. 4) CSPL - Exactly how do you plan to use this? Any new or modified programs that are written that are statically linked to or derived from GPLed or LGPLed software or libraries are still covered by one of the GPL licenses. 5) While you are using qmail instead of Sendmail because the author of sendmail is a homosexual, are you researching other packages and libraries to determine which ones are written by non-Christians and other unacceptable groups? I've never looked into this, I use qmail because I prefer it over Sendmail. 6) This partial statement, "we do not need the media," drives me nuts. Since this website is the media (as is anything on the Internet), and all of the Christian magazines, newsletters, etc, are the media, how do you plan to distribute Jesux when it is time? Without the media you have no way of letting people know what you have other tha word of mouth and mail (snail or e-mail). Sorry #6 is just a rant, it's the type of statement that bugs me. I, as a matter of personal preference, would have chosen Suse rather than Redhat as a starting point. Having used several Linux distributions over the last 5 years, that is what I have come to prefer. Keep up the good work. #===================== Subject: Just a note. If there is a god, I am sure that he would be saddened by the waste of time that the compilation of this distrubtion represents. There are much better and more active efforts that can be made in this world to ease the suffering of others and spread a spirit of love and caring. Obessing about the names of system calls in an operating system is not at all in the spirit of evangelism that Jesus espouses in the gospels. -josh #===================== Subject: Hmmm .. You guys are kind of scaring me with this Jesux thing .. I appreciate the good you are trying to do, but what the heck is up with like not using sendmail because it was written by a homosexual? You probably use products in your everyday lives made by homosexuals, satanists, one armed monkeys, purple anteaters etc .. and you don't even know about it! This discrimination against anyone in the "name of god" rediculous and xxxxxxxxxxxx@x #===================== Subject: Some info on the begginings of Linux I just read about your website and am still unsure of it, but I though you may be interested in some background of Linux and Gays. I read posts on a bbs that has a "gays" section. I don't read that section often but the bbs mentioned that in that section they were talking about your web page. Here are two of the posts. #===================== Subject: linux distribution. I applaud your efforts to provide a linux distribution for all righteous christians. However, is it not true that we must obey the laws of the land in our effors to promote good ? The Christian Software Public License is incompatible with the Gnu General Public License which states the software must not be redistributed under a license which allows the source to be redistributed commercially or with an avertising clause. Since most of the software in your distribution is released under the GPL, the JeSux distribution must also be distributed under the GPL and cannot be rereleased under a different license. To do so would be piracy and a crime against the authors who release work under the GPL. -Concerned Christian Programmer- #===================== Subject: Good Stuff 0100,0100,0100Hehe, you guys will have the more easily led in the Linux community in an uproar. It's good to have some internal joking taking place instead of the constant fighting against M$. I thought that the next couple of "changes" were great. a. Optionally disable logins on Sunday, the day of rest. (Oh, of course rest except for getting the family up at 6:00am, making sure the kids take a shower, making breakfast, feeding the kids, driving to church, keeping the kids under control for a couple of hours while they are being bored to tears, and then making the kids keep their "good clothes" on at least until we get home. ummm, I feel so refreshed.) b. Login screen has full text to Lord's Prayer and Pledge of Allegiance, with Christian and American symbols. Provide alternate screens for non- Times New Roman Arial Americans, perhaps ("perhaps" is the clincher. A wonderfully sarcastic example of the all inclusive "xian values" system.) c. Optional technical support and basic counseling services provided by Christian hackers. The current plan is to double up the tech support line as a crisis line, where people in need can be redirected to people who can really help them. (yeah, and if you don't help me get dhcp set up for my @home I'm gonna stab my cousin, err I mean my wife with a Kentucky Fried Chicken spork.) d. qmail replaces sendmail as the standard MTA (sendmail was written by a prominent homosexual.) (Is that true or just something you guys threw in as more bashing fodder.)Times New Roman ArialActually, they're all pretty great. I'm sure there are hundreds, nay thousands of people out there scratching their heads trying to figure this one out. Kind of like the Andy Kaufman "rassling" skits (are they serious, this seems too stupid to believe, but they seem so serious, and they even said it is not a hoax, ugghhh I'll just go back to watching Three's Company, hehe Jack fell down.) Tracy #===================== Subject: Right on! Attachment converted: Bourque:Right on! (MiME/CSOm) (00061488) #===================== Subject: Jesux feedback I can't believe this is true! A christian version of Linux! Please tell me this is a joke! #===================== Subject: your site Hi, I am personally not Christian, but I think for those who are Christian, this is a great service. I know for my religion I am constantly trying to find things so I can change my computer. While I may be pagan, I see nothing wrong with you providing a Christian OS and such to those who want them. I think it is quite refreshing to see people who believe in their religion enough to act on it. You are obviously providing a service that is wanted by others. I, too, think it is a shame that so many people think your site was a hoax. Why shouldn't Christians want to have an OS dedicated to their beliefs? I would like something like that but, of course, with my own religion. I like the idea. Love and Light Irish Wulfe #===================== Subject: Suggestion Dear Jesux developers, as a Christian and a priest, I certainly like the idea of a Christian Linux distribution. Many of your ideas are interesting (daily quote from the Scriptures, etc.). Whether there is really a need to replace the kill command, I doubt. Even the Bible commands specifically "Do not murder", killing electronic processes is certainly not offensive for a Christian. What I think is offensive to many Christians is the name of your distribution. The name of the Savior Jesus Christ must not be altered in this way, and not be used to name non-sacred things. It is close to blasphemy what you are doing here. I recommend the name "Lux", which is Latin for "light", and at the same time a traditional Christian symbol for Jesus (Jesus as the light for the world). At the same time "Lux" is "Linux" without the letters "in", so it is already in there. This distribution could bring light (lux) to the world by being a truly Christian distribution. Please, consider changing the name to some other name than "Jesux". It is truly offensive to many Christians. Fr. Dr. Godehard Bruntrup, Munich, Germany #===================== Subject: Jesux - thanks for the laugh You guys have either... 1) really bought into the god-myth, in which case I truly feel sorry for you, -or- 2) created this fabulous joke page, and my hat's off to you. Wish I'd thought of it.:) Some suggestions for other 'distributions:' Atheiux - distribution for disbelievers Hindux - for hindis Buddux - for buddhists Seventh_Day_Adventux - Distribution for the only TRUE church, the Seventh-Day Adventists (maybe they could just use Jesux if you'd permit the login block to be configurable to Saturday instead of Sunday. Judaiux - for Jews Klu_Klux - for true Christians who like to wear nice white sheets and burn crosses (and other Christians of darker colors) Uses modifed KDE, let's call it... KKK. yeah. Roman_Catholux - distribution for the only TRUE church. Includes a photo of the Pope, suitable for framing. Comes with some free indulgences if you buy the complete support package. Includes all the 'undesirable' gospels that the church removed from the Bible before you dirty Protestants got your hands on it. Includes a picture of the chap who translated the Bible from the original Hebrew into English so you could have your beloved KJV. (you know, the guy who was subsequently burned at the stake for heresy). Mormux - distribution for the only TRUE church, would need a portable version that could run easily on laptops or palmtops so that those missionary dudes on bikes could carry it with them. Include the book of Mormon along with the KJV. Would also include genealogy software in the autostart folder. Christian_Scientux - the distribution CD is blank. Who needs software? Anything you want can be had by simply praying to god. Southern_Baptux - (see Klu-Klux) Islamux - for moslems Wiccux - for wiccans Paganux - for pagans Druidux - for druids Mithraux - for followers of the ancient Persian god Mithra, born of a virgin on December 25th, later rose from the dead. (that's right, go look it up.) I could go on forever, but I've got stuff to do. I'll wait till I get to Hell. Then I'll have lots of time to burn... Praying for your speedy recovery... #===================== Subject: (no subject) Linux User Groups We are a manufacturer of plush items. Our company has put the Linux Penguin into production as a small plush beanbag. Linux awareness will no doubt only continue to grow. This growth can only benefit with eye catching promotional items. I think we have one. We have a "Tux" that actually looks like "Tux". We are currently are offering Linux Users Groups the opportunity to raise funds for their groups. We will ship lots of 50 pieces for a wholesale price of $195.50 including shipping anywhere in the US or 100 penguins shipped anywhere in the US $369.75. The SRP price is $9.95 plus shipping. Use them for raffles, promotions, giveaways. Whatever! Move over beabies’Ķ Microsoft has no mascot’Ķ Tisk’Ķtisk’Ķ Please visit our site with more details about the Linux penguin at www.WaiYipToys.com. Thank you, Shelly Huber #===================== Subject: are you for real? Okay, at first I thought this was a wind up. Why? Why the need to have a 'Christian' OS? Or is it more like a mainstream OS with a 'honk if you love Jesus' bumper sticker stuck on. I'm a Christian, but I don't get the need for 'Jesux'. #===================== Subject: Critisism in a loving spirit Wow the Linux version for the hermit. Just what we need. I'm a Christian and a very devout one at that and this why I'm writing. Some of the ideas for your Jesux OS are great ones. Adding Christian bookmarks and themes, removing questionable games, and a Christian license is pretty cool. However many of your ideas go way to far. It seems to me that the thing that a lot of people are forgetting is that fact that we live in the world, and we live around lost people. The reason I made the comment about this Linux being for a hermit is because that is exactly what you are trying to do by throwing off all "worldly" things of Linux. You are right we should not be of the world but we are still in the world. Its like Paul saying that it is okay to eat the meat of pagans if we are okay with it. There is nothing wrong with the meat, its just that sinners cooked it for their own purposes. I don't have any problems using sendmail or Mandrake or Windows(well windows is a different story, hehe) or the programs and scripts that I write myself because everyone is a sinner, whether they are homosexual, murders, or just your run of the mill everyday person. As well as being a Christian I'm also a PR person and I can say that your ideas are not going to convince anyone to be a Christian and in fact serve more to make people upset. Because the same ideas that make the KJV bible so much better than everything else, and not using anything that touched the hand of a sinner are the same pre-concieved notions that people already have about Christianity, and also do nothing more than promote legalism and hurt good ministries that are based on love and acceptance. So here's my point. I have no problem saying that I feel that you are being a bit hypocritical. If you are so much better than the world then I suggest that you move to a mountain top somewhere. You'll have to build yourself a computer. I guess you'll have to mine the sand with your own two hands. Then create your own programming language from binary (although the person who came up with binary probably sinned too) and then you can write a new kernel and take the words kill, and abort out of your functions. And while you're at it you might want to go write your own Bible because even the people with Jesus claimed to be sinners. THe wInd BloWs anD thE Trees don't MovE. What kind of crazy world is this????? Chris the Christianfreak http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: Truth or joke I still have not been able to determin if Jesux is supposed to be a joke or not. I thought I was conservative until I read this. I was just cracking up when I read this. I mean, the KJV being the only trustworthy English version is not only ridiculous, but is going to make people angry. KJV is a translation just like NIV New American Standard. Just because KJV is the first POPULAR English translation (there were translations before that), it does not mean that God does not talk to people just as much through NIV or New American Standard. There are litterly thousands if not millions who would have never have been saved if it wasn't for those other translations. Just because you and I can read KJV and understand it does not mean everyone can. Second, you are removing the kill and abort commands. Any idea as to what you are going to replace them with? The commands were not named those to be anti-christian, not by far, but as a descriptive term for what the command does. Let me guess, under the games you are removing, you are removing Hangman, right? Maybe you should enable webcam support so that the Linux box can recognize if the woman is wearing a long dress or not. If she is wearing pants, she cannot login, and if she is wearing shorts, her account gets perminately disabled. If she is wearing jewlry, her mug shot goes onto the Conservative Christians most wanted list. Oh, and the thing about disabling access on Sunday. You are going to offend the Jewish Christians who believe the Sabith is from Sunset Friday to Sunset Saturday. I hope you can see where I am comming from. Although a Christian distro is not a bad idea, the extreamities that this is taken to is just ridiculous. William Henley xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: Re: Suggestion -----Original Message----- From: Jesux Developers xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx To: John Gregory xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: 25 September 1999 22:47 Subject: Re: Suggestion >At 22:29 +0100 1999.09.25, John Gregory wrote: ># Whilst you are of course entitled to your own view on my religion, I, ># and most other members of the pagan community, believe in religious ># tolerance and would ask you to do the same. > >Our religious beliefs, that you profess tolerance for, include telling the >truth. We will not water down our message. Please have tolerance for our >beliefs. > I fail to see how the misconception of paganism being an evil religion akin to Satanism (which I neither prescribe to nor condone) can be classified as the truth. I don't ask that you cange the statement, merely that you try to gain some understanding of the people behind the label "pagan". You and I have more in common than you may think. Blessed be Robert Gregory #===================== Subject: encryption policy You may wish to reconsider your policy on including encryption with the system. Including a program such as GnuPG with your system promotes a wholesome environment. Unlike PGP, there are no potential patent infringements to lead the user astray. Inclusion of sophisticated encryption technology would allow the developers to Jesux to distribute patches and upgrades that are digitally signed to verify the purity of the software. After all, how can goodness be maintained if an evildoer can easily circumvent the sanctity of the system by misrepresenting their evil influence as a properly sanctioned and pure patch? Encryption also promotes purity by hiding information being exchanged between wholesome christians from the prying eyes of those who would use those that information for evil instead of good. After all, do you really want child molesters to know how many wholesome christian children will be attending summer camp and where that camp is located? #===================== Subject: Jesux I want to warn you that you may be making a grave mistake in the omission of crypto from your Jesux distro. I disagree with you on several fundamental points listed in your homepage, but this one problem is very important. Please read King James' Revelations 2:17 with me: > He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; > To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, > and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, > which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. This immediately follows warnings to churches with impure doctrines. It tells how some believers will avoid harm in the "second death". It says if you overcome the weaknesses of these church doctrines, God will provide "hidden manna". You will recieve a white stone, and that stone records a new secret identity for you. Cryptography is part of divine providence, and secrecy is required of some covenants with God. A saved person to which this verse applies can not maintain the secrecy of the name (in these and future times) without cryptography. Specifically, it requires either a Diffie-Hellman key exchange protocol or it requires RSA public-key encryption. This is urgent, because God knows that the RSA patent expires on Sept. 20 2000. It will become public domain, and it will be free for all to use. Many, many people will be able to use and keep secret a name given by God. Sometimes there are conflicts between God's laws and the laws of man. God will give the white stone to all that hold his laws higher than the laws of men. It is my purpose to tell you that the white stone allows men to refuse the mark of the beast without starvation. I hope that you will make cryptographic tools available in Jesux for those who have an ear for God's word. It would be piteous if you chose to please men over pleasing God in this matter. #===================== Subject: Your product Aren't you afraid that some people intentionaly pronounce the name in a uncorrect way #===================== Subject: Jesux >Send more suggestions to xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx Give up. This is an insult to Linux and Christians. And a "Christian hackers"?! Are you kidding? What's Christian about breaking into others computers?!? Last I checked, God doesn't encourage BREAKING THE LAW, which is what hacking is! #===================== Subject: Ackk I was going to send your URL to my roommate, a christian, until I saw that stupid part about not using sendmail. That's dopey. My 2 cents. Scott ........................................... : : J. Scott Lambdin ____/ #===================== Subject: I don't think your site's a hoax but.... Frankly I think your exclusion of sendmail because it was written by a prominent homosexual is pathetic, and definatelty un-Christian. Didn't Jesus teach three things: follow the golden rule, obey the commendments and love thy neighbor? Maybe you should exclude toold written by people who are pro-choice.... or non-Christian. It seems to me you're breaking all three of Jesus' techings, and I suspect you won't be able to distribute your distro with an OSD compatible licence. Cheers Mike #===================== Subject: Question Are your intentions to make your own distrobution serious, or not? I and some of my friends are having some disagreement between ourselves as to if this is. #===================== Subject: King James Hello, folks! I'm not trying to be inflamatory, but two of your suggested "features" present an interesting perception of history: * Online Bible in King James Version no other versions will be provided by default; we feel the KJV is the only English version that can be fully trusted * qmail replaces sendmail as the standard MTA (sendmail was written by a prominent homosexual we are considering postfix too, due to popular request) Now I know you have problems with homosexuality, and I'm not even going to go into that here. But are you aware of the fact that King James was bisexual? If you don't believe me, please take some time to do some research on the subject, in a preferably secular manner (of course the Christian documents are not going to say that he was bisexual!). Please don't think I am just doing this to cause problems, or to be blasphemous. My point is that you should discount the works of an individual just because you don't agree with everything that he or she stands for. Who were the people that Jesus disdained? Think about it. I am not gay, and I'm not Christian. I just like to make people think more about their perspectives. I hope I have not incensed you into an even greater distrust of non-Christians. Sincerely, Jeffrey Johnson #===================== Subject: Re: King James Fair enough. Thanks for the consideration. Good luck on your project. Jeff > > At 10:36 -0700 1999.09.27, Jeff Johnson wrote: > >Now I know you have problems with homosexuality, and I'm not even going > >to go into that here. But are you aware of the fact that King James was > >bisexual? If you don't believe me, please take some time to do some > >research on the subject, in a preferably secular manner (of course the > >Christian documents are not going to say that he was bisexual!). > > We've heard this, but two things to consider: > > 1. We don't believe it. > 2. It is irrelevant. King James did not write it or exercise control over > it, he commissioned it. He is irrelevant to the matter. > > -- > Jesux, The distribution that will not lead you into temptation > http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: Re: I don't think your site's a hoax but.... Jesux Developers wrote:
First, you are showing ignorance.  Please learn something about licensing
and Open Source before you go around acting like you know what you are
talking about.  Such distribution of misinformation can only lead to ill.
Well, ok, I will. Let's see....... I'll go to your own Website:
 (Note: the requested requirement that only Christians could redistribute the code was
 considered and rejected, in accordance with the "No Discrimination Against Persons or
 Groups" section of the Open Source Definition.


I'll grant you're probably American, which to the rest of the world is pretty close to "Neanderthal" in terms of human rights. However, according to your very own Website, and by your own admission, you're discriminating against the writer of sendmail, and homosexuals as a group.

There is nothing about software licensing, Open Source, etc. that has
anything to do with what software we choose to distribute, for whatever
reason.
Granted you can distribute whatever you like, as along as you make it freely available. I'd say you're violating the spirit of the GPL six ways from ... well... Sunday.
The "no discrimination" clause has nothing to do with what we
distribute, but who has the right to distribute software we release,
create, or distribute.
Second, we disagree with you about the sendmail decision.  Eric Allman has
been quoted as saying he takes perverse pleasure in the fact that mail sent
around the world by conservatives, Christians, etc. is almost inevitably
touched by "gay software."  We are attempting to combat his political
agenda.
Um, I'd say there's a big difference between taking perverse pleasure in designing software that everyone, even your  opponents, use and a "political agenda". How can you accuse the man of having an agenda? It's not like he wrote sendmail for pro or anti gay people. His agenda is to have no agenda at all! If he really had one, he'd write sendmail to scan all email and route all Christian based mail to /dev/null.
We did not make this an issue, he did.
>From what you say, he didn't make the issue, you did. All he did was write an incredibly popular utility, then found irony in the fact that its even used by people who would curtail his rights. It's you who refuse to use the software because of its origin. The only agenda I can see here is yours; you're creating and distributing a "politically correct for Christians" Linux. That's fine, as long as you stick to the GPL, but I wonder if this distro is what Stallman had in mind. Somehow I doubt it.
 We do not hate or even dislike Allman.
No, you simply make an issue of his sexuality, and choose to discriminate against him because of it.
However, we made a conscious decision to not promote his agenda, and, indeed, to combat it.
Again, what agenda is this?  I don't think he had any purpose in mind when he wrote sendmail, other than to.... uh..... send mail.

It's really a shame when people call themselves Christian, the go round acting like you folks. The Christians I know preach love, inclusion and acceptance. They do not judge, lest they be judged. They simply love, accept and tolerate others. I've met some wonderful Christians who are also pro-gay. Ironically, you don't represent their views, either.

I guess this begs the question: For which Christians did you intend Jesux?
Cheers.
--
Those who do not find time for exercise now will have to find time for illness.
                                       --The Earl of Derby, 1873
  #===================== Subject: Turing Machines Alan Turing was a prominent homosexual, having killed himself after eating a poison apple in prison, arrested for committing buggery with a sailor. He is commonly referred to the forefather of computing, known for being a staple member of the Colossus development team (Colossus was the first computer, built in secrecy several years before America's ENIAC, used by the British to decode German cryptography). All computer are based around Turing's philosophy, from calculators to Cray supercomputers. Sendmail being written by a prominent homosexual is largely irrelevent compared to the entirety of the technological revolution being founded by a homosexual. Somewhat like a grain of salt in a glass of gasoline, wouldn't it be? In stark contrast, one must inquire as to the significance of homosexuality at all, in relation to the thousands of recorded cases of molestation by Priests in Canada alone. Brian. PS. Slashdot has no opinion, it only allows their expression. #===================== Subject: Jesux... some suggestions... Dear Jesux, I believe that one reason that Jesux is considered a hoax is its very name: Jesux looks like a portameau from 'Jesus' and 'sux'. I recommend changing the name to 'Christux'. Although it still looks like a portameau, at least it is one between 'Christ' and 'Tux', the affable Linux mascot. I also recommend that the list of illicit sites and URL patterns be made into an open project, and to accept them from the full Christian community. Although some jokers may originally try to put hoax sites into the list, a self-regulating community may be able to be created which, like finding bugs within the Linux distributions, can ferret out the hoaxes. Finally, I recommend that other on-line Bible translations (for example, the NIV) be made available, even if they are not among the original distribution. Yours, Brent E. Edwards #===================== Subject: Re: I don't think your site's a hoax but.... Jesux Developers wrote: > At 14:23 -0400 1999.09.27, Six Of Nine wrote: > # Granted you can distribute whatever you like, as along as you make it > # freely available. I'd say you're violating the spirit of the GPL six > # ways from ... well... Sunday. > > There is nothing about this in the spirit of the GPL, and even if there > were, since we don't like the GPL, we wouldn't care. Since there's really no point in continuing once the conversation's devolved to "we don't care", I suppose there's no real point in continuing the line of argument. > This is not contrary to the spirit of the OSI or OSD in any way. Hm... let's see.... the OSI's all about users cooperating and sharing, and your distro seems to be about anything but... > # No, you simply make an issue of his sexuality, and choose to > # discriminate against him because of it. > > No, HE makes an issue of his sexuality. We already went over that. Again, he didn't make an issue of his sexuality. He wrote an open source program that's so popular, even people who work to curtail his rights use it or are affected by it. He found this ironic and amusing, and made the fatal mistake of sharing his amusement. You take issue with his amusement, even though he's amused at a situation that's beyond his control. > And yes, we discriminate against his software in this case not because he is > homosexual, but because he made an issue of it. He didn't "make an issue of it" he mentiones it in a Salon article. > He takes pleasure in seeing that people who disagree with his lifestyle > choice use his software. > So we refuse to give him that pleasure with our distribution. How is that > wrong? Well, let see. We've started with your Website, which simply stated you don't ship sendmail because the author is a prominent homosexual. When I brought this up with you, you then switched your argument and claimed you were combatting his political agenda. When I pointed out he didn't have a political agenda, you switched arguments again, and now you're merely denying him pleasure. Denying him pleasure isn't wrong, but claiming your software is for Christians is definately wrong. Lots of Christian denominations are pro civil rights and some denominations are very gay supportive, so your claim of a pro Christian distribution is misleading.... perhaps downright dishonest. What a shame, too. You have sone very solid ideas mixed in with all that misguided and hurtful stuff. That's Christianity though. Mike #===================== Subject: Announcement List Can you put me on announcement list? Cheers, <> Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Vincent Chan (E-mail).vcf" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Vincent Chan (E-mail).vcf" Attachment converted: Bourque:Vincent Chan (E-mail).vcf (????/----) (000624DA) #===================== Subject: Jesux I recently discovered your website, and while your project is overall quite interesting, I couldn't help but note a couple of alarming things: >No encryption provided; Christians have nothing to hide This is a very strange thing to say. Does that mean that you're willing to put your social security, bank account, and credit card numbers on your web site? Do you conduct all of your paper correspondence without envelopes? Do you broadcast your telephone conversations over the entire neighborhood? Do you leave your car unlocked when in an unsafe neighborhood? No Christians I know are so foolish as to conduct their lives in this fashion, yet you imply here that we *are* that foolish, when it comes to computers. A system in which email, remote logins, and local files can't be safely protected is more than just an invitation to crackers -- it's practically being a willing accessory to destructive crime, something that is against the most basic Christian beliefs. If you don't understand how this is so, you shouldn't be making claims and decisions about the place of cryptography in Christian life. >qmail replaces sendmail as the standard MTA (sendmail was written by >a prominent homosexual > we are considering postfix too, due to popular request) Are you completely excluding sendmail from your distribution? Not all Christians share your views on homosexuality, and many of us will be unwilling to run a system which doesn't support what we view as an essential tool for mail administration. Personally, I think your attitude (and that of many fellow Christians, sadly) is flawed. Even if you don't accept a Scriptural argument (remember the parable of the Smaratin?), from a purely practical standpoint how will you determine what parts of Linux were written by homosexuals (or, for that matter, pagans, Christian-bashers, sexual deviants, and so on), and what parts weren't? Statistically, something like 15% of the code has been written by homosexuals and pagans alone -- but which 15%? Eric #===================== Subject: hope not To quote one anonymous reseller, "Yup. Linux is officially a religion now. What's next, crucifixion of NT users?" I am an AVID NT user, I think you have a GREAT idea going.....try to leave some work for us okay? btw, I am building a unix client, I think i just found my version. ps. no passwords [ie encryption?] also, try this.......for the login [icon or shell] have a CROSS symbol......coooool forgot the ASCII code for it..hmmmm, maybe the Omega sign? just an idea [IMHO] Danny #===================== Subject: thanks great idea - wc - xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx wavelinx.net

Please place me on your annoucement list.
 
Thank you,
Jeff Kirk
#===================== Subject: might as well give up I think the inclusion of KJV of the Bible and Xtian themes is great, but changing the language and purging sendmail seems pretty stupid and makes you all look like a pack of weridos. FYI - there are a lot of gays and anti-Christians in the computing scene. They got into it because they didn't fit into mainstream society - which, in many parts of the US, is dominated by intolerant Christians. I don't think it's right that Xtians like yourself should go around "cleaning up" the fine things that pagans and other hellbound people have created. #===================== Subject: hi I'm guessing you guys don't approve of the "SATAN" security-checking tool. Also zombie processes, that's got to go. And while you're at it, you'd better make chmod 666 illegal too. Good site... one of the funniest things i've seen in a while (since that South Park computer episode). apparently you fooled MSNBC, impressive. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: Annoucement List Please add me to your announcement lists and news distributions. Thank You #===================== Subject: Please put me on your announcement list xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: Hi, Great idea, in what area's do you need help ???? Pete ******************************** xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Pete Boergermann #===================== Subject: Jesux Folks as a Christian, I am amused and befuddled that anyone thinks such an enterprise is worthwhile. Create something worthwhile rather that rehashing, for no obvious reason, some else's mess. There are plenty of churches, schools and other worthwhile organizations who need your help. They don't need anymore operating systems. They need to learn how to use the tools they have, and they need people like you to help them. Deal with real problems, don't dream up unnecessary battles to fight. (As a matter of fact, in Eastern NC right now are many Christian brothers and sisters who could use your help to get their businesses back on track.) And, for your sake, don't get drawn into word games. There are people in the Christian community who can take almost any word with which you want to start and tell you why it's bad and why it offends them. They need to get over their hang-ups and get on with the business to which we are called. I love you and hope you succeed, but I'm praying that you find an endeavor worthy of your efforts and His calling. Best Regards, Wayne Stonestreet xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx (personal) #===================== Subject: jesux is the worst idea I have ever heard in my entire life!! Get real! Don't waste people's time with this garbage. Sincerely, Jeffrey Bouquio Jr. xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx xxxx@xxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: jesux as a christian, and a newbie linux user, thank you. look forward to using your distribution (or patch). you're getting a good bit of exposure from http://xxxxxxxxxxxxx wasn't sure if you'd seen or not. a. slocum ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: naughty words in the kernel source... Hello, I would like to bring to your attention that the word fuck and other bad words are included in the kernel source. I believe that kids should be allowed to read the kernel source without having to be subjected to naughty and bad things. I think they say shit too... Hail Jesus, Eric #===================== Subject: jesux distribution Will there be a comprehensive download (D/L) site for this distribution? How about a beta D/L site? Will you attempt to make it possible for a complete D/L. I've always had trouble trying to figure out exactly how to "pull all of the pieces together" to get a D/L version of any free OS (FreeBSD, Linux, etc) from the web. I'd like to be involved w/ this one! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: Jesux Why do you consider the King James Version the only English version that can be "fully trusted"? Mike #===================== Subject: Re: Jesux Thank you for your response. You wrote: > It is not our >place to judge; I only say this to note that there is no room in the Bible >for accepting homosexuality as anything less than sinful. If you do not >share this view, you are in grave error. I ask again, who among Linux developers has not sinned? Will you exclude all code from your distribution which has been touched by the hand of sin? At best this seems prideful, not to mention impractical. You also failed to respond to my comments about real security, which I consider to be a far more serious flaw in your implementation than excluding sendmail (which, as you point out, at least has functional equivalents). Do you intend Jesux systems to be used as hosts for cracker attacks? Otherwise, why would you deliberately disable secure remote access? Eric #===================== Subject: Re: I don't think your site's a hoax but.... Jesux Developers wrote: > At 16:14 -0400 1999.09.27, Six Of Nine wrote: > >> This is not contrary to the spirit of the OSI or OSD in any way. > > > >Hm... let's see.... the OSI's all about users cooperating and sharing, and > >your > >distro seems to be about anything but... > > You keep saying that which is not true. Are you saying OSI isn't about people co-operating, or are you saying you folks' philosophy is in accordance with OSI? Please be a little less obtuse. > >> # No, you simply make an issue of his sexuality, and choose to > >> # discriminate against him because of it. > >> > >> No, HE makes an issue of his sexuality. We already went over that. > > > >Again, he didn't make an issue of his sexuality. > > Of course he did. Denying it doesn't make it less true. Wow, if we go in any more circles here I'm gonna pass out. He mentioned a situation he found ironic in Salon. That doesn't make the man eithe ra "prominent homosexual", nor does that mean he makes issue of his sexuality. > >Denying him pleasure isn't wrong, but claiming your software is for Christians > >is definately wrong. > > No, it isn't. Yes, it is. You are being dishonest. You claim your software is for "Christians" then violate some of the most basic tenets of Christianity. You can stick your fingers in your ears and sing until the end of time, it doesn't change the fact that you aren't being honest, nor does it change the fact that you are violating the teachings of Christ. You really should be ashamed of such a sham. > >Lots of Christian denominations are pro civil rights > > So are we. We do not favor or condone any lack of civil rights for any people. By now, you're tripping over yourself in an attempt to sound moderate. Not condoning a lack of civil rights is not the same as promoting civil rights. Do you or do you not believe in absolute equality before the law for each and every citizen? > >and > >some denominations are very gay supportive, so your claim of a pro Christian > >distribution is misleading.... perhaps downright dishonest. > > If a Christian group or denomination says homosexuality is OK, that it is > not sinful, then it is not a Christian group or denomination. Wow, so now you're God's appointed judge of who is and who isn't Christian? Even the Catholic Church gave that one up. > The Bible is very clear. Homosexual relations are sinful, period. They are not Christian by your definition, and that again is dishonest. I'm familiar with the passages in the Bible you people use. Some are from Levitical law, some are fome the Apostles like Paul, but none, not ONE, claim to be the words of Jesus Christ. The Bible is far from clear on the many subjects, homosexuality included. If you read at all, you're well aware of this. I really hope you carefully check all your clothes for blended fibres, as that's against Levitical law. Better watch out if you're counting on Leviticus as criticism of homosexuals. I remember some pretty odd laws in there..... You're being dishonest and unchraitable, and that's most unChristian. There are people who believe lack of chairty is what really brought God's wrath to Sodom and Gomorrah. Mike #===================== Subject: Points to consider As a Christian, I feel compelled to point out that your assertion that "no other versions will be provided by default; we feel the KJV is the only English version that can be fully trusted" makes you look ignorant. The KJV is one of the least accurate of all translations. Most of the newer translation are thoroughly researched for accuracy back to the original Hebrew and Greek. And if you're so concerned about keeping out anything written "by a prominent homosexual," you may be interested in knowing that KING JAMES was a prominent homosexual. I am not throwing stones, merely pointing out that your efforts would be better served by more careful research. #===================== Subject: Jesux Dear Sir/ Ma'am: Is " JESUX ", JESUS in Japanese, or, what language? E-mail me at: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx I also want newsletter or web address. Blessings to you! #===================== Subject: Blessings Greetings and salutations! May our Lord bless you in these endeavors. God has given you a spirit of boldness, run with it! :) I would like to suggest adding the capability to rip low-level audio input to MP3 so that churches can publish sermons on their website. if it isn't already in your distribution. Great job and I'll be searching for your distribution, if not, see you at the rapture :) Maranatha! your brother in Christ, Brian Hill #===================== Subject: Comments on Jesux I am looking forward to seeing a Christian oriented operating system, and exploring whether it serves my purposes and God's. The following are some notes on what I would like to ensure you have considered based on my reading of your web page. I apologize in advance for the length! In the past I had been put off by the use of terms like daemon, although I don't have trouble with kill and abort. Unfortunately, abortion of unborn children has tainted abort from its normal meaning, but I don't think we should give up words because someone else has spoiled them. I also see no reason to avoid the word kill, as it is a completely useful term unless applied to people. Any alternatives to kill and abort could easily be as evil if applied to the situationm. Think of all the possible alternatives if placed in the context of a person (born or pre-born) and see what I mean... The word daemon/demon however did have a strictly spiritual meaning before used in the context of *nix. I disagree with the published stance on sendmail. I believe that it causes an inconsistent stance on programs. Must we know the sexual orientation of all software authors? Should we explore the other sins that they may be involved with? How about adultery, theft or drunkeness? ALL software writers have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God! To single out one sin above others goes against the Biblical teaching that sin is sin! It also serves as a bone of contention with non-believers that doesn't need to be there. We should be set apart not by our hatred of a few specific sins, but by our love of righteousness, and therefore hatred of ALL sin.. Please continue to pray about this issue. I would like to generally support your stance on encryption as I also dislike the "privacy" arguments that are presented in support of that technology. Have you considered the impact on VPN or other valid security related uses of crypto software? Or is your non-crypto stance restricted to e-mail? How about SSL? Perhaps some clarification on your web site would be appropriate. I would also like to express support of scriptural/spiritual content in the fortune file, but as I type this, I realize that this is a program that may also be suitable for renaming... Do you know if the name is related to the telling of fortunes??? I will pray for your success. ... Darwin Gregory __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: Re: JESUSX Hello, I just ran across your "Jesusx" linux page. I am still wondering if I can believe this project. As a Christian AND a Computer consultant, I have to wonder if this project is really furthering either Christian principles in our world or the free/open source software movement. I don't think any of these "worldly influences" (Netscape without christian bookmarks?) are really that. This is an operating system, Not a game or the like. Also, and correct me if I'm wrong, patching a Red Hat distro is not a "new" operating system. What "features" are you planning for the "real" release? I am assuming that there is nothing like "Lizard" or "RPM" technology to make the actual usefulness of Linux better. Please consider putting your time into advancing the Linux technology, not making it pleasing to your eye. I'm sorry if you think that I am rude. I just think your time could be spent better elsewhere. (Maybe even fully developing christian apps - similar to your plans for "Jesusx" not just OS patches.) Ryan Nelson Brother in Christ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: This is the kind of logic that opened my eyes. How do these two statements coexist in the same document? Ah, hypocrisy, the cornerstone of organized religion. - qmail replaces sendmail as the standard MTA (sendmail was written by a prominent homosexual) - Note: the requested requirement that only Christians could redistribute the code was considered and rejected, in accordance with the "No Discrimination Against Persons or Groups" section of the Open Source Definition. We actually agree with this section of the OSD ... David Merrill* xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx "To alcohol... the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems." - Homer Simpson #===================== Subject: Please call soonest Am interested in writing about Jesux and would appreciate a call. Blessings, Mark Kellner Jer. 29:11 #===================== Subject: Jesux This has to be on of the most crazy things I have ever heard of. Why do you want to screw up UNIX? ===== Mark Jones xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: Why the Pledge of Allegiance? We are not of this world. We are citizens of heaven. I am not against disobedience to our government it is just that we have more in common with a Christian who is a citizen of Iran than we have in common with a fellow American who does not know Jesus. You may offend our fellow Cristians in other countries if you imply that Americans are God's chosen people. thanks brad #===================== Subject: Jesux I think I seriously take issue with some of your proposals... First, the name is bad taste. It seems quite a bad hoax. It even sounds like "Jesus Sucks". Also the bit about KJV being the "only English version that can be fully trusted" is misinformed, smelling like a hoax. Finally, all your goals could be done with collections of RPMs and DEBs. No need of a full distro. And Debian would be a far better match, since it's not commercial, it is a community project. Some other points: > * Christian Enlightenment themes featuring Jesus, the cross, and other > Christian icons I'm Protestant, and just as millions of other protestants I have roots as an iconoclast. Got it? > * Login screen has full text to Lord's Prayer and Pledge of Allegiance, > with Christian and American symbols Such eye-candy is meaningless and bad taste also. Smells fanaticism. Suffices giving it (and others) as configuration alternatives. > * qmail replaces sendmail as the standard MTA (sendmail was written by a > prominent homosexual And?... That's silly, that's hating people not loving them. Sendmail, it's a technical work, not a moral statement. > * No encryption provided; Christians have nothing to hide Silly, silly silly... what about missionaries and inhabitants in persecuting countries? Encryption is a must. Much use of GNU/Linux is expected to be from such (usually poor) countries. > similar to the BSD license, where the required advertising is the text of > John 3:16 from the King James Version of the Bible. (Note: the requested > requirement that only Grow up! This accomplishes nothing, is just an annoyance. What a better thing to get people to hate the gospel than becoming an annoyance? > because of their connotations in different contexts. You do not have to > agree, but you will not change our minds. However, because this is not a > point of religious Got it! You're bigots whose minds can't change! Please prove me wrong and give better reasons to change name of harmless system call and utilities, whose very names are so fundamental to the proper functioning of the system. And what?, will you parse all code looking for four letter words in the comments? There's plenty of it there. > understand the reasons why, but it saddens us. What has become of our > society that it is so hard to believe that people are earnestly seeking > to do good in God's name, to No, it is hard to believe that religion can become such a source of bigotry. Look, I was a bigot also when I was, say, seventeen. After much reading of both Bible and authors such as CS Lewis, Stott and Francis A Schaeffer, my faith is as strong as ever. But not a bigot anymore I am. As your initiative is now, I hope it won't go ahead, but that you will have some months to cool down and come with more Christian proposals. This is not Christianity, it's worldly (supertitious) religion and a pretty bigoted one. Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete Dutra Amdocs (Brasil) Ltda #===================== Subject: Get real guys
You're making a mockery out of what Jesus Christ teaches.  This is rediculous.  Let's bring salvation to the world through love and the Word. Don't waste your time on rediculous efforts that do nothing but make a mockery of what we believe in.
 
If you're doing it out of fun, great; but don't sell it as some great "soul saving" feat -- and don't make a joke out of it.  It puts down those who are really out there on the front lines delivering the gospel and saving souls.  If you want to do something meaningful, build a website that delivers the word.
 
David L. Smith
#===================== Subject: Jesux Are you people on crack? I do not see how a so called 'christian' distro of linux is needed! As an athiest, it amuses me to see how hypocritical christians can be. (you even go so far as to discriminate against a homosexual.) Even though I am perfectly straight, I see NO problem in using a program a gay wrote. Hoping your distro crashes and burns, Greg #===================== Subject: Word removal from Jesux You might consider removing or filtering out some other words in addition to "kill", "abort" and "daemon." It seems like words stiff (could mean firm or drunk), pussy (could mean small kitter or vigina), boob (could mean fool or breast), knocker (could mean something that hangs on a door or breast), cock (could mean rooster or penis), love (could mean love of God or sexual activity) and so on. There are just so many works in the english language that can have different meanings to those who wish to be offended at any cost. You liberals and your political correctness are going to be the death of rational thought. Orwell's 1984 did not happen but with your help maybe it can be revived. Norm #===================== Subject: wow
please don't start the OS Crusades and kill us non-Jesux users.
 
#===================== Subject: Chinese support Until a year ago I worked at a denomination headquarters. We have a church in China with 3000 believers, and if we did not follow serious security precautions, that church would no longer exist. Therefore, let me ask you in regards to encryption: If you were a Christian in China instead of America, would you feel you have something to hide? Or if you had been a member of the early Roman church, would you have felt that you had something to hide? They certainly did, which is why they developed the "fish" symbol--an early encryption. #===================== Subject: A mockery... Yes, that's what I think... May I ask what kind of church you are from? This is the kind of thing that I'd expect from the mainline middle of the road lukewarm denominations, that's why I was surprised to see that you say you only use the KJV.... -Rex #===================== Subject: Just a little color please. Content-Description: filename="text1.html" Content-Type: text/html Just a little color please.

Praise God for your work. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.

Could you work on this web site. Just a little color please.





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Please add me to your distribution list.
#===================== Subject: Hmmm... I sincerely hope that this is a hoax, because as a Christian and a Computer Science major, this looks really ridiculous. We're supposed to be IN the world, just not OF the world. Pretty soon we'll just be able to lock ourselves in our churches, fully self-sufficient on our Christian-made food, clothing, entertainment, and now software. What great lights for Jesus we'll be then. BTW, check out
You crack me up....
#===================== Subject: Jesux distribution I just read that you will not be carrying Sendmail because it was written by a "prominent homosexual"... WHY DO YOU CARE??? Your decision has just reaffirmed my belief that the followers of Christ as well as the teachings of Christ may be as perverted as anything queers do in their bedroom I guess you can care less if you turn people away from Christ and his teachings though... Oh well... Ed #===================== Subject: Questions about Jesux (not a flame! honest!) Heya, I appreciate you taking the time to read this! I had a couple questions, and I'll try to keep them brief. : ) 1) Have you considered Hebrew and Greek language support, and possibly Hebrew (old testament) and Greek (new testament) translations of the bible? 2) Do you have plans to rewrite the documentation, removing references to "RTFM"? (Read The F***ing Manual) 3) It may be true that Christians have nothing to hide, but here are some examples of things a Christian might want encrypted. a) Pastoral notes about private conversations with church members. It would be severely unfortunate if the confessions or troubles of members, entrusted to their pastor, were to be made public for any reason, even accidentally. b) A Christian working with company or industrial secrets that must be emailed or otherwise transferred electronically. c) Christmas shopping lists? 4) When you say that the KJV is the only version of the bible that can be trusted, what do you mean? Can you give me any information that might also lead me to this conclusion? It seems to me that the more obvious reason is that this is the only version that is not covered by modern copyright and can thus be reprinted free of charge. 5) The reason you stated for not including "sendmail" seems a little thin. Can you reliably state that no other part of your Linux distribution was written by a prominent homosexual? 6) Have you considered posting an FAQ on your site to address questions such as these? Thank you for your time! I am eager to hear more about your endeavor (though please do not add me to your mailing list). Greg Vinyard xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: Je-sux? LOL
Q: Why r u installing Netscape on this Linux distribution?  Is their inherently something evil with the Internet Explorer release for Unix like their is for the commands 'abort, kill, and daemon'?  C'mon, you guys can find a better way to propagate your religion other than via OS.
#===================== Subject: list
sure, put me on the anouncement list
#===================== Subject: Your new linux distribution Hello! I actually have a suspicion that your new linux distro is a hoax, and if it's not, I sure hope it is. I believe you are doing the Christian community a great dis-service in some areas, although I think your intentions might be good. - Why even hint of Jesus' name in the name of the distro? (Exodus 20:7 "You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.") Why not simply call it "Christian Linux" or something like that? - Who cares if Linux contains "kill" and "daemons"? Anyone with some common sense can distinguish the difference between a command on a computer and the real thing! Instead, why not focus on something more useful like providing web filtering software to enable parents to keep kids away from porno sites!! Besides, there is nothing wrong with using these words. What if we were to provide couseling to a person concerning abortion? Would they not actually have to use the words "abort" and "kill"? Good grief! - No encryption, "Christians have nothing to hide". Well, I am a Christian and I certainly have some things to hide! I don't see the point in spreading my credit card numbers all over the net for everyone to see! - No other version of the Bible except the KJV can be trusted? So everyone who had the Bible before that translation is now lost? Come on! I have several versions just so I can compare between them since language has changed so much. I definitely don't want a watered-down translation, but if you're going to provide a Linux distro with a Christian spin on it, you might as well provide other translations. After all, this would actually provide the users with some *value*! (everything else is available off the web except for newer Bible translations.) Anyone who really cares is better off getting a Bible and keeping that on their desk beside their computer. (of course, one would hope that they would also *read* it, too) Good luck! - Ari #===================== Subject: Brilliant work! This is great; you'll get a lot of people. However, do note that hex modes for chmod don't buy you anything - you can already use 'a=rw' if you don't like spelling it the other way. Of course, maybe that's the trollsign. -s #===================== Subject: Hilarious! Great site! :-) It's the funniest thing I've seen in a while.. Robbie #===================== Subject: Announcement list This is very interesting. I would like to be added to the announcement list. I like the idea of what you are doing with the Squid proxy server and the addition of squidguard. To God be the Glory, Lamar xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Lamar & Diane Thompson http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: Interesting concept. Interesting work you're doing. I's like to know what Online Bible you are using. Thanks, Brent Metzler xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject:
Folks, I've been a believer since 1974, and have sought to live a Christ-honoring Spirit-led (monogamous & heterosexual) life, reading and obeying the King James Bible, so (hopefully) I can ask you this question without you thinking I'm some kind of reprobate.  I gotta ask you....if we throw out the work of a guy because he is an avowed homosexual, then for the sake of consistency and judging a righteous judgement, should we not also reject the contributions of adulterers, fornicators, liars, the proud, arrogant, greedy, and gossipers?  Would that not leave us in the Stone Age?  How many inventors and creative people would we have to reject?  Who among us would not be disqualified from contributing anything to the world? 
 
Where would you stop?  What if a doctor develops a cure for cancer, but was a Hindu...a Christ-rejecting unbeliever?  Would we reject his contribution?  What if the surgeon that is about to perform surgery on your child after an auto accident is found to be unfaithful to his wife?  Would you pass him by for a more clean-living doctor?  What sin would be the cut-off point for someone's contributions to be rejected?
 
As an Information Technology professional and Linux user, I applaud your efforts to use your technical skills and creativity to enhance the Linux OS for the good of the computing community, but I have to ask if you are clean and pure enough for Christians to use your contribution?  Is there a hidden sin of the mind or heart that would disqualify you, my brother? 
 
I'm sure you get plenty of flame-mail over your efforts and your stance, and I believe strongly that a Christian should stand tall for God and take the rebuff of the unbelieving, but I have to say I think this might not be a "righteous judgement" on this one....
 
Scott Kiddle
#===================== Subject: I would like to be on the mailing list
Thanks,
Bryan Burlingame
#===================== Subject: Re: I don't think your site's a hoax but.... Jesux Developers wrote: > >Are you saying OSI isn't about people co-operating, or are you saying you > >folks' > >philosophy is in accordance with OSI? Please be a little less obtuse. > > The OSI has no statement in regard to such things. Ok, now you're just being willfully obtuse. You claim I "keep saying that which is not true". I asked you for some clarification, and you've given me another meaningless clollection of syllables. If you're going to make some statements, you should at least be ready to back them up with reason and some clarification. You live in a very confusing world > >> No, it isn't. > > > >Yes, it is. You are being dishonest. You claim your software is for > >"Christians" > >then violate some of the most basic tenets of Christianity. > > We violate not one tenet of Christianity in our distribution. You are wrong. You certiainly are, in fact you're violating several. > >> If a Christian group or denomination says homosexuality is OK, that it is > >> not sinful, then it is not a Christian group or denomination. > > > >Wow, so now you're God's appointed judge of who is and who isn't Christian? > > Of course not. God is, and we have His word. And note I did not say the > people are not Christian. Anyone, no matter what the sin, can be > Christian. A group, however, cannot be "Christian" if they violate the > tenets of Christianity. Um, but you've violated those tenets yourself. Doesn't that, by your own admission, make you non Christian? So.... let me get this straight. They are not a Christian group, just a group of Christians? And what sin have those people committed? We're not talking about homosexuals here, merely the Christians who love and support them. > >> The Bible is very clear. Homosexual relations are sinful, period. > > > >They are not Christian by your definition, and that again is dishonest. > > No, it is not my definition. Yes, it is your definition. You have chosen to define God's word according to your own views. Those people call themselves Christian, it's you who say they aren't. Didn't Christ say He was wherever two or more people gathered in His name? If they gather in His name, they are Christians and He is there..... unless you'd care to argue the word of God. > Church tradition dating back to Peter and Paul has always held that Paul's > words in the Bible (including those against homosexuality in Romans 1) were > the inspired words of God. But they're not Jesus' words, are they? And in fact there's an awful lot of scholarly debate on just what Paul was saying. You've said it yourself though and that's good enough for me. The are neither the words of God, nor those of His Son. They were words spoken by normal men, and the meaning of those words is not very clear after countless translations. It may be Church tradition, but it's not God's words. Thanks man, that's what I was looking for. > Jesus did not mouth the words, that we know. > God directly inspired them. If you read at all, you're well aware of this. Um, no. Jesus didn't say anything, Peter and Paul did. They were mortal and therefore fallable. They were not the words of God, it's as simple as that. And you should be ashamed of yourself. Who are you to put words into the mouth of God, or to determine what was divinely inspired? You're using Christianity to jusitfy your bigroty. It's not for me to judge you, nor is it for you to judge me. THOSE are definately God's words. > Thanks, and God bless, You too. You should stop and have a good long think about the words of God, and the words of the Church pal. They are two very different things. It's just some advise. I wouldn't want you to have a long life, then discover at the Day of #===================== Subject: Brilliant. This is the most brilliant hoax site I've seen in some time. Hilarious. I'll tell my Linux geek friends about it. - Jeff Vogel Spiderweb Software, Inc. http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: FUCKING HILARIOUS Keep it up guys! #===================== Subject: More info Please send me more information about Jesux. Shalom, Chudo R. #===================== Subject: Jesux Just wanted to thank you. I haven't laughed that hard in way too long. Was very therapeutic.. Let me know when you're ready to release Budhix, Jewix and Muslix. Or would there be a potential copyright violation with Musilex? Maybe party specific releases.. Republix and Democrix. Anyway.. Thanks again! Gerry #===================== Subject: A site you should know about and a couple comments Interesting idea. Thought you guys should know about The Sword Project - free Bible study software for Windows and Linux/X11. Would be a nice addition to your distro. http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx By the way, until I got to the bottom of your web page I had been wondering if the page was a joke - it just seems like you are going too far with some things, especially with removing encryption. Just because you don't have anything illegal or immoral to hide doesn't mean that you don't have anything proprietary, sensitive or private to hide. While I personally don't encrypt anything I think I would want a pastor to protect any information that I might have given him in confidence - just because someone works in a Church doesn't mean people won't snoop around and I certainly don't think crackers would avoid a Church in their "fishing" trips. I don't think you should limit the distro to only the KJV. From what I have read and heard I don't think it is any more reliable than any of the other mainstream English translations. I realize that some denominations teach that it is the only true version but I think there is a lot to be said for clarity in writing and that isn't written in American English - it tends to be very difficult to understand for the average American that didn't grow up reading it. Of course it has the huge advantage of being in the public domain. Steve Hiner #===================== Subject: help with development Hi there, I just visited your Jesux site, I do support what you do. My query is: can I contribute in any development work? Do you guys have a wish list of software which you think would be good to give away as part of your distribution? I might be able to help in some areas. God bless, Kevin. #===================== Subject: Christian hacker interested in Jesux Please keep me informed of news and info regarding this product. I might be interested in reviewing it for my Internet/Network Security Web site. Jim Williams #===================== Subject: Holy Kernel Haha, I love the idea of Jesux! You don't know how long I've been waiting for a 100% Christian OS. What with Windows developed by devout Satanists and most Li nux distributions touted by iconoclastic, misguided teenage hackers, running a p opular OS as a Christian has been most taxing on my conscience! The path betwee n my workstation and the nearest confessional is nearly worn through. :) Will there be a Roman Catholic build for Jesux? I would rather not run somethin g of Protestant craftmanship. *spit* Just a suggestion. I know that when I sp end my 7th day of building the kernel resting, I will be most pleased that it is of a "Catholix" flavor. I have one rather serious question, though. I read about Jesux at http://xxxxxx net.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2342101,00.html, and I would like to know how y ou got ZDnet to cover such a story? Very good, at any rate, and I await the pro duct anxiously! Hopefully this isn't simply divine vaporware... -Michael, "Who is like G-d?" #===================== Subject: Where are you? Hello, your home page is in the Research Triangle Park section of Geocities. I live and work in the RTP area. Are you located here? How many people are working on this project? -John #===================== Subject: Hello, I would just like you to know that the Pagan and Wiccan communities take great offence to the comment you included on your site (pasted below) We feel that the comment is very spiteful and Christian-like of you. It would be greatly appreciated if you would remove that from your site, besides, I thought your god taught acceptance and such. Guess not. Quoted from: http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Also, we are seriously considering changing some fundamental OS features. The idea would be that function calls and features suggesting evil and otherwise pagan ideas would be changed. Sincerely, Silver Rowan -Priestess of the SilverRowan Coven. Goddess Bless MM + MP #===================== Subject: Might want to include the New American translation of the Bible for Cathloic hackers. C'mon now, gotta have options like that for ALL Christians ;-) -Curt #===================== Subject: Lead story of slashdot........
     It takes much guts to do the will of God.  Just wanted you to know I read your homepage and saw the top news article tonight of slashdot.  Keep up the good work and let folks know the good Word.
 
Meanwhile,  I'm starting a Linux server soon and am interested in the aspects of your release.
 
By the way,   my email name is Czech for "glory" in case you were curious.
 
 
                                                Best Regards,     john
#===================== Subject: Are you SERIOUS? This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen. You guys are a joke... #===================== Subject: Re: Jesux distro I think all rpm'd source code should be grepped for references to the Almighty, sexually explicit acts, and derogatory names for women. All references should be elided while taking pains not to modify the associated logic. Some examples from the 2.0.38 kernel sources: lib/vsprintf.c:9 kernel/fork.c:11 fs/buffer.c:136 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: Inquiry I'm sorry if this message is rude, but I was wondering whether this software actually exists. While Yahoo! announced this product, slashdot.org called it a hoax. Both organizations are reputable and I was wondering if you could enlighten me, please. Laura Harris #===================== Subject: encryption How do you intend to create an encryption-free distribution, while at the same time including netscape, which has built-in encryption? Ian Turner PS. Please pardon the encryption key below. -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://xxxxxxxxxxxxx mQGiBDfkgYERBAC7vHU9ULWvDjKn/RzM7vdPwo1grC+rVzbKQ+TEX9kZL2KK7+oQ 0dufGbmCZBaja2Uqn65Qp/e8ZFwtgR3UJ/8aae1iGpi6svvYqJukHEEcoe3Ja3F9 cmya1WoefSP1w+KTAsSvVM51SfBHSANum1sjY/cICFI9YoCdcRKYCk5XVwCg5w9G WjRELr/0pfL56sXmXG3KxnEEAIOkn189rToLi/VAq+ndPcPxI+iPz+bKO/CtHSku QB/nGeZl1SEzpaWI/vwLChrdtEKabkpQkfge6AHxeizhsxvfSee2EHjS5ZafEy/u TlSupQhbP4sCca8WwXnuCpObDu8wJYhtrukjtr1e9Y05FrAvpOBITpqGdhpdcWMy bTWrA/43MM1fjekgPol5Ket76Zzwv0E64BL/h2wAahPU5bl2yJ/7Os2S9hqAYPQz yEnvGS8mHTgZPEelyeBrpfwDvr3mxzI16eebLCVaJF8il/16vpqwuFf6Ybo3VRvc 5lzjIqf8pqEBlDVl8wv4vKtNZshSLlT3A0VWpJ34K23C5GadhLQgSWFuIFR1cm5l ciA8dmVjdHJvQHBpcGVsaW5lLmNvbT6IVQQTEQIAFQUCN+SBgQMLCgMDFQMCAxYC AQIXgAAKCRB+f25v1kTXGiMUAKCxQTUPFnJhvEhN8AD8p4Td3vkZwACgyplxK+c+ pVbGHCRWdrhsDE4t+6eIRgQQEQIABgUCN+rf4wAKCRD4rtsK1HaXaD5yAJ49U2Zg TH9a9tRATmW8ttQm7Kj7KgCfYG352OZRB2YfSWEZYlt+MYrwDOq5AY0EN+SBnBAG AJiUIDNEJRBvhzBBaTIUE3/YCzNB3uIXaMYaTiXAXXA4a5hjEnuDxQ81s35LJhzH vHyPok4T+2OCoZZeRIiXTO1tCypVWRnZ+tKfgN7e1nbyyX+anzTeUmdkQe/ZnIy5 1WvOyNr6PF/Uv0MfIgIhlaYwydiCJadduP9ioYadALqj56n2MYFthTXGYS949QuH QTboS2XfdTH/3RzfDtjyuz6GgosP3/5cMV/Gtf5TfwxgThJSaRsj2hxX+WLRPw4U JwADBQX+KB5lg6BhVCZnHdcBbohPhZSEA5yydXejAp5ZX6wg3np0ZQNPA98+4BKL DCkJ7ul/XisWohE2L7gjksWu6SpF98VM//S5WWKvYiB1qzx35M42jjzLtTW8Aehk shFU+K1IppW+lfvonqdfCR7E41ayX8fTDJS3nEDZuKpSan0QfGKA9731Hky7cCr/ QkYBbozoKcJBg6zNrIq9c7vJtYoPDlBa78cEw696w6tM3bBovo0oyHykGmH7+hHS NhnE8lhhiEYEGBECAAYFAjfkgZwACgkQfn9ub9ZE1xq6kACdH4EWYNdoMIFUZ4W0 j9DQ7tpKkFgAnio422F423tRMDxYN8Xl9Fz4Eh3X =442C -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- #===================== Subject: Please add me to your announcement list Please add me to your list! Thanks. #===================== Subject: Fwd: zdnet story HA! Absolutely hilarious ... You guys may really want to consider broadening the scope of this hoax. Wouldn't it make for a absolutely hilarious ongoing prank when various other "interest groups" begin their own distro's? Here's some more 'material' - it's my response to a similarly sarcastic post: Beers, Corey #===================== Subject: Man, great site... I haven't laughed this hard in years... Hey, spooks! Great, stuff. #===================== Subject: Linux You aren't going to use sendmail because it was written by a prominent gay man? Why stop there? I mean, whoever had time to create Linux obviously committed gluttony by spending too much time on the computer, eh? And also, perhaps you should take whatever your denomination is and name your distro after that.. if your distro doesn't represent ALL Christians, then it shouldn't be called a Christian Distribution, should it? I'm sure your distro isn't extreme enough for those over at http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx And your sendmail reference wouldn't sit well with those at http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxx In the end though, it could be a hoax.. I mean, if you don't want to use the word daemon, then why would you name your distro something that looks like Jesus Sux? or even Jesu X-rated. Stop the hate. #===================== Subject: some suggestions Hi, I have some suggestions for you if you are serious about creating a 'Christian OS'. Firstly I think you should consider a different name. Jesux comes across as a combination of Jesus and sux, not something you would want to portray in a Christian OS. Secondly, I disagree on not providing encryption. Christians may have nothing to hide about themselves but things such as their financial details (account numbers etc.) shouldn't be public knowledge. Thirdly, software should be based on it's content not on the sins of it's author. Is their anything wrong with sendmail itself or is it just the fact that a homosexual wrote it that causes you to not include it? If you follow this line of argument then shouldn't you only include code that was written by a Christian as there is no greater sin than to deny Jesus, or maybe you should even go to the extreme and only include code by those who have never sinned, and since computer's weren't around when Jesus walked the earth this will mean that you have no code suitable for inclusion. Also on this remember it is not your place to judge or punish the person, that is the right of God himself "Let he who has no sin cast the first stone". By refusing code based on it's author you come across as judging that author. Also note that even a sinner can do good. A homosexual is just as capable of writing a morally sound piece of code as a heterosexual as long as they do not write their sexual viewpoint into the software. Fourth, if you're not a hoax you should put some details about who you are. The first thing to look for in a hoax is the lack of a real identity behind it. Also, if you aren't already aware there is an article about this on ZDNN news at http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx which has generated considerable feedback. Finally I would like to encourage you in your work at producing this OS. I agree with most of what you have said and hope to see it sometime soon. Regards, Shane Black EOM NOTICE - This message contains information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. It may also be confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify The Broken Hill Proprietary Company Limited immediately via xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: announcement list Please put me on your announcement list. Thanks Shane Black EOM NOTICE - This message contains information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. It may also be confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify The Broken Hill Proprietary Company Limited immediately via xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: you guys ar amazing thanks for the best laugh I've had in a month! #===================== Subject: Your new OS I'd like to know more about your Jesux OS, but I have a few questions first. Why do you use GeoCities for your homepage instead of your own domain? Why don't you even have a mail server? Is your OS that bad? Or are you just a fraud, as some, (no doubt in league with the Enemy) have called you? I'm still interested, and I'd like to be put on your announcement list, but could you please answer these questions for me? Thanks. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: Hoax Is your site a hoax? I mean come on, a linux distro for Christians? Thats like Christians attending a Pagan sacrifice to the fertility god "Erectus" come on. Praise, God g0d_boi ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: First of all, if you call yourselves Christians, you should really know that the name of your distro is comepletely outrageous. I am offended beyond words as a Roman Catholic. Secondly, why would you EVER base a distro off of Redhat!?!?!? p.s. I hope that your mission fails miserably and that God's name can be left alone. #===================== Subject: homosexuality as a basis for discrimination between so you are of course aware that anti-homosexual wording and references arrose between translations of bibilical texts and were not originally intended or written in the original texts. check out http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx it has some relevant info. Mathew Johnston #===================== Subject: Qmail as a replacement... Are you going to also include a fine web-based qmail management tool, so that qmail will be easy to use? #===================== Subject: Is this real ? Is this serious ?? Are you really working on such a distribution ,or is it just a distribution that you would LIKE to see? Please let me know ,because im very interested. Kind Regards Adam #===================== Subject: Media If you don't need the media as you say, why do you have a web page? That's media..... #===================== Subject: suggestions! Friends, A couple of suggestions for your most worthwhile efforts: * chmod ugo+rw cannot be expressed numerically * every process should be nice * definitely get rid of the command 'finger'. It's rude. * 'tail' *might* be rude. It depends on whether it's slang or not. * apache: may be inappropriate idolotry. as is zeus. * the game adom: makes fun of Adam. * relying on magic(5) is inappropriate idolotry * no child process shall be terminated past conception. Although they can (and should) be handled with the | (which should be renamed 'rod' instead of 'bar' which is obviously sinful) I'm sort of surprised you condone the use of hexidecimal notation. But I guess it's OK, if you don't permit it to be abbreviated and idolotrous. Hey, you should get larry wall to help. I read he and his wife once planned to be missionaries. Which is obvious, given all those terms in perl. (flock?) You might also write the republicans in congress to try and get their endorsement. Or try to get grants from our friends at the Christian Coalition. I'm sure they will see this as just as important calling as you do. I hope you can use my ideas. However, please don't put me on your mailing list, as I spend too much time attending my parishioners. Yours in Jesux, (I love the name! If I hear anybody pronounce it wrong, I'll be pretty mad though!) Brother Daniel p.s.- tell those slashdot heathens who's the boss! #===================== Subject: Add me to the list This is outstanding!! Our church is just now starting on developing a web page. Nothing on silicon yet. To be able to provide an OS such as yours for this purpose would be outstanding. Will your distribution come with Apache? Please keep me posted. Also, when distribution comes to be will you have CD-ROM available. I'm working out in the sticks on a 14.4K connection. I am not able (within reason) to download the full RedHat or any other distribution. I would be willing to pay some for this distribution on CD. God bless you. Rodd Holman #===================== Subject: Yes! Yes and Ahem! What an awesome idea! God is so good. Please let me know when we can order it. Thank You and Keep up the most excellent work! Reverend Stephen Phillip Hughes http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: I believe! Hey, is this site a hoax? #===================== Subject: Jesux Very good site :-). Bebel. #===================== Subject: (Serious) Comments about Jesux distribution (long) I have a number of comments about your project, I hope you have time to read through them, there are a *lot* of them. Be aware that I am Christian, and am currently hacking on a server, wireless network, public access terminal, and sound/video processing system for my church. I am an active programmer in the GNOME project, and research obscure OS issues at work. Prior open-source experience is rather extensive, as you'll see below. First of all, I do think that the name 'Jesux' 'sux'. slashdot is entirely right, it very obviously conjures up the phrase 'Jesus Sux', which is precisely *NOT* the meaning you even want to get close to. Sorry, I don't have any suggestions off the top of my head, if I think of any I will be sure to mail you. On the topic of creating YALD (Yet Another Linux Distribution), I would seriously counsel you against that. I was heavily involved in (leading) a project (www.seul.org) a couple years ago with an initial goal of creating a new distribution. We quickly determined that building on top of an existing one was vastly preferred, rather than splintering the distribution market. Unfortunately, discussion was rather lame, and eventually it sort of fizzled, with some help (several sub-groups are still going *very* strong, though). At some point, a group called 'Independence' split off, and have recently gone on to create the 'Independence' distribution, which is in fact a set of packages layered on top of RedHat. They've since rejoined the umbrella project. It is working rather well, as you may have noticed in a recent roundup of distributions done by Linux Journal (i.e. they were listed, right there with RedHat, SuSE, and Debian). Therefore, I would strongly suggest that you make these changes available as patches against RedHat or possibly Debian (or both, as it shouldn't be too hard to do). Doing so will make it much more likely for people to pick up these changes. If you have your own, people will have to 'switch' in order to gain the advantages, and a lot of people either don't want to bother, or simply don't have the time (like me). As for the list of features on your website, I have comments on most all of them, so here goes: * default fortune file contains quotes from the scriptures, Augustine, C.S. Lewis, Chuck Swindoll, etc. Good. Just provide a different fortune package. * Christian Enlightenment themes featuring Jesus, the cross, and other Christian icons Good. * Login screen has full text to Lord's Prayer and Pledge of Allegiance, with Christian and American symbols + Provide alternate screens for non-Americans, perhaps Modify the initscript package, change the /etc/rc.d/rc.local file so it doesn't replace the /etc/issue file (the one you're after), or will modify it in place. This is a general fix that I think RedHat would pick up, since the current method is rather dumb. Provide a program to be run as root that writes out /etc/issue based on what the user chooses. Can be a simple shell script, as root will be running it. * Pregenerated Netscape bookmarks and .newsrc files pointing to prescreened Christian web sites and newsgroups Good. * cal(1) includes Christian holidays Good. * Special hack of emacs "M-x doctor" mode, "M-x pastor" Huh? (I don't use emacs, sorry) * Optional technical support and basic counseling services provided by Christian hackers + The current plan is to double up the tech support line as a crisis line, where people in need can be redirected to people who can really help them This only works if you can provide people and do it over email. Email works, phone requres $$$x10^n (n>4). * Online Bible in King James Version + no other versions will be provided by default; we feel the KJV is the only English version that can be fully trusted Disagree there, I'd package as many as you can find, if it doesn't take too long. Provide a browser (there are several GPL'd ones out there AFAIK) and copies of all the regularly used versions. In fact, I'd be *very* surprised if they aren't already packaged. I know Debian ships several. * Addition of /usr/dict/kjv.words (exhaustive) Good. * Removal of some of the RedHat games + we don't play them much, but several of you have noted that some of them are clearly inappropriate This should be up to the installer, especially since if you do an overlayed package set, you don't have any choice. However, not that Independence is packaging the whole thing and even planning to ship CDs, so if you manage to do that you simply merge RedHat and your own, then strip out the stuff you don't want before setting up the installer. * Squid proxy server (plus squidGuard) bundled and configured for blocking illicit web sites (including a regularly updated list of illicit sites and URL patterns to install on your own; we will be looking for mature and diligent volunteers to help maintain it) This has proven to be a miserable failure since time began (relative to filtering software, that is). I've never seen squidGuard, so I don't know how it works, but chances are it's going to block more of what you want than what you don't. This has historically be the case with every single filtering attempt ever made. I'd classify this one as a waste of time at best, a very bad idea at worst. The King James version would flag the filter in several places, I know. * Optionally disable logins on Sunday, the day of rest This is generally accomplished by creating an /etc/nologin file, or similar (I forget exactly). Create a package that adds a crontab to /etc/cron.d that touch's the file Sunday morning, rm's it at night. * bash(1) is default + the "Bourne-Again" shell is already the default; but we like the shell, and we love the name :) Agreed ;-) * chmod(1) accepts hexadecimal modes, such as 0x01B6 Note that chmod(1) already has symbolic mode, i.e. 'chmod a=rw' is equivalent to the targetted 'chmod 666'. * qmail replaces sendmail as the standard MTA (sendmail was written by a prominent homosexual + we are considering postfix too, due to popular request) This is where I start to seriously disagree. It seems that the argument goes '$TOOL is neutral' to '$TOOL is evil' to '$TOOL's author is evil, so $TOOL is evil'. I never knew Allman was homosexual until it was mentioned here (and I'll have to verify that fact somehow), and even now it will not affect my use of the package. However, technical issues may force me to use qmail or postfix, in the case of the church server. * Hierarchical user structure, so parents and teachers can easily access children's files without needing to become root This should be accomplished by cooperating with RedHat or GNOME or whoever to create a user-management system capable of being scripted with such intent. The problem is that you're stuck with only one group per file, which means that your granularity suffers rather badly. The answer is ACLs, which means lots more work on the user management system. * No encryption provided; Christians have nothing to hide + We have had concerns about the "no encryption" item ... but no worries, crypt(3) will still be there. Sorry for the confusion, we do not generally consider it as encryption, though, of course, technically it is. But since it is generally unsuitable for anything other than password authentication, we don't see any problem with it. This I don't buy either. I have a friend who's with ELI (Christians teaching English, evangelizing quietly on the side) in China. There are obvious problems with using encryption there, but if I can find an easy way to use steganography to get un-censored letters through (say by fiddling with bits in a JPEG photo sent to her), I would use it. Freedom is probably the most amazing thing we have in this country, and the fact that we can practice our religion without (major) interference is directly drawn from that. If we lose freedom, we lose our ability to freely practice and spread our beliefs. There are cases where God has a definite purposes in making it difficult to do so, but I believe our purpose is to spread the Word. Without freedom, how are we to do that effectively? Encryption allows us to do whatever is necessary (within reason) to retain our freedom, even in the face of facist or otherwise evil governments. Removing all encryption from this distribution is making it more likely for Christians to have to buckle under the pressure of governments. Not a good thing. * No cracking utilities provided; SAINT can be acquired from us later, after the user has proven his worth Similarly here, being able to secure your own systems against outside, likely malicious attacks, is fundamental to being able to spread the message. Though I agree that a newbie should *NOT* have access to such a tool You go on to state that 'we are seriously considering changing some fundamental OS features. The idea would be that function calls and features suggesting evil and otherwise pagan ideas would be changed.' I'm sorry, but this is just plain laughable. I can buy all the other ideas as reasonably sane, but this is where most people are cementing the word 'hoax' in their minds. First the words in question. 'abort' and 'kill' are perfectly valid words, and only have negative connotations when they are thought of as such. They are both used to terminate (oops, "terminate the fetus") processes, one from within, one from without. Deleting two words that refer to culling processes from the computer's state is rather dumb. 'daemon' is actually (as far as I have been able to tell) the original form of the word, which was transmuted into 'demon' and restricted to 'evil' at that time. 'daemon' is any little non-physical creature. Granted, that conjures up 'demos', but technical according to this definition (AFAICT), angels are 'daemons' too. The intent from the beginning (in Berkeley) was that daemons are good, useful servants inside the computer, little ghosts in the machine running around helping out. There's the obvious corrollary that if one of said daemons runs amuck, it can be thought of as a 'demon' and 'kill'ed appropriately. Such is humour and our rather ridiculous English language. As for the more practical concerns, removing these words (and the dozens of others you might find personally 'potentially' offensive in certain contexts which have little or nothing to do with the use in question) is almost impossible. If you were to attempt to sed(1) all the sources and still package them properly, the source distribution would instantly double in size with all the patches necessary. Creating symlinks and macros to allow the use of these alternatives (such as?) would create this minor little problem that anything written for these systems would be *UTTERLY* incompatible with anything else. Granted, `alias cull kill` is sufficient for that case, but changing abort(3) to something else (what?) and renaming everything from *d to *X (where X is 'h' for 'helper', or somesuch), along with all the other ANSI C and libc functions of potential offence, would mean that anyone programming for the system would be programming for an exceedingly limited audience. If you're worried about calling things 'daemons', why not just hide the whole concept? If you're GUI-based (as you should be, by using GNOME or KDE as is standard with RedHat), you can trivially hide the whold idea. In X, I never, *ever* see the word 'daemon' unless I use a shell (OK, so I always do, even so I rarely see it since Linux is so reliable) or read documentation. If you're reading the per-package docs, perhaps the distrib isn't quite up to snuff, or more likely you know what you're doing and expect to do things like killing daemons, perhaps because it's your job already? Just to be snide for a moment, why not also change imake and xmkmf so you're not typing 'make World' anymore, just because that might make someone think 'Creator-ish' for a while? My point is that going to such lengths to change the fundamental concepts of a system that's been stable and built around such concepts for 30 years is rather ridiculous. There are reasons people named things the way they did, and almost never (i.e. I've *never* heard of an instance) are trying to make any religious point with them. In my opinion, anyone who's hackles are raised by the use of a similarly-sounding word is overreacting. I do not generally think highly of such people, regardless of their convictions. I realize I may not change your opinions, but I hope you at least think through the reasoning above, rather than blindly continue with an intended feature I guarantee will lose you *major* market share. If you decide to both change the name to something with fewer possible connotations (and do not come back claiming that I'm doing the same thing you are, because I'm not: you are choosing a new name, and the obvious mis-proununciation 'Jesus Sux' cannot be construed in any good light, regardless of who you are) and indeed build the distrib by supplying add-on packages to RedHat and/or Debian, I would go right ahead and apply the patch-set to the systems at church, as well as help out as I can in providing more patches and packages in the same vein. However, if you go ahead with running around blindly censoring 30 years of history based on perceived ill-intent, I won't be planning on using it just on principle. I hope you take this to heart and realize that the over-arching goal is to spread the message. Good luck, Omega aka Erik Walthinsen #===================== Subject: Jesux?? While I appluad your efforts on creating a Christian OS, I always try to look at things from the worldly perspective. Such as, how would the world's opinion of Christianity be affected if I did this, etc. I recognize the fact that God is for us and will always be for us, but I do not believe that gives us the leeway to totally alienate the world, and the unbelievers. I've already seen your product under criticism, and in some cases, ridicule. Sure, I support your cause, but I must admit that you probably brought some of it upon yourselves. An example: You refuse to use the mail program that was created by a homosexual. By a sinner. If all Christians everywhere followed your example, and stopped using services rendered by sinners, things would come rapidly to a halt. If the program itself had homosexual functions, or a pro-homosexual stance on the way it interfaced and operated, I would understand completely. But just because it was written (and written well) by a homosexual? I think that's pushing it. Not to mention all the ridicule it has already brought about. Don't get me wrong, I truly believe that the world needs strong christian influences, and christian products. But I feel our job is to appeal to the unbeliever enough to get them interested, to a point where God can work on their heart. Of course, God is the only one who can bring them to Him, but we have to do our part and not alienate the world. Hopefully, I haven't come across as too extreme, but I just felt I had to write. May your efforts bear much fruit. -=PHiL=- #===================== Subject: one suggestion "Which" should be burned. Bebel. #===================== Subject: wow! Hi, I am a christian and I am also a programmer. I have used Linux for well over 4-5 years now and though I find the idea of new distributions coming out with some good stuff interesting and something that needs to be encouraged, I find the idea of a "Jesux" distribution awkward and inappropriate. The name is bad - Jesux ? what is that... there are are a zillion other things you could have called it... Crucifix for one thing. Jesus does sound awfully like "Jesus sucks!" Also, regarding the aims of the distribution -- man! I actually find it quite claustrophobic. Please understand something - we christians do not live in a vacuum and we cannot be "super-spiritual" to the point where "abort" and "kill" are considered inappropriate.. I write these things because I am frankly against christians forming cliques and closed exclusivist societies - if you know what I mean and I believe we can influence people only by being real to them and not by putting on a holier-than-thou attitude. So much for that... Regards, Prem Kurian Philip #===================== Subject: Linux
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#===================== Subject: Please place me on your mailing list.... I am very interested in your new OS and eagerly await it's release =) Al Fuller xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: Announcement list Perhaps you could include a link to christian wallpaper and screen savers that you maintain? Please place me on your announcement list. Thank you and may God richly bless you and this effort. Dave #===================== Subject: BIGOT#!§%&/(!)@£2 Hello you fucking bigots! How the fuck (fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck) can you release a fucking christian linux dist???, that is a disgrase(sp?) for the whole linux community, imho... and dont´t you think that homosexuals can be a chistians, removing the sendmail program, was a bit fucking drastic HA? you are really sick you know that? you belong in the KKK !! not that I´m a gay or something but I a humanistic person... Hail Satan! | | | | | #===================== Subject: whats wrong with homosexuals? extract from http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----------------------------START-------------------------------- ... qmail replaces sendmail as the standard MTA (sendmail was written by a prominent homosexual ... -----------------------------END--------------------------------- Is not homosexuality accepted among American christians? Can you become a Cristian if you are homosexual? English is not my native tounge as you can see. best regards, Torbjoern Eriksson, UMEA, Sweden #===================== Subject: Jesux Hi, I just read about Jesux. I am very impressed with it; I think we've gone far too long without a truly Christian Linux distribution. I do, however, have a few suggestions. Do you think it's wise to base the initial version on Red Hat? This distribution's name could be taken to allude to Lucifer. Other distros aren't much better - Slackware promotes sloth, Suse sounds like a woman's name, hence is a temptation, Mandrake is even more satanic, etc. I suggest using Debian. It would be good to provide a few extra devices - /dev/heaven could be used when you wish to delete files that have served a holy purpose, while /dev/hell would be for pagan, unsolicited e-mails, etc. This might require patching the kernel, but I'm sure Linus Torvalds would be amenable. If you hurry, you might be able to get this feature included in 2.4 before the feature freeze takes effect. Perhaps the following programs should be removed for a more pleasant working environment: - DOOM (in fact, maybe all games) - xflame - other flame-based screensavers I am also uneasy about using Enlightenment as the window manager because of the easy availability of unChristian themes. Maybe e.themes.org should be automatically blocked by Squid. You could also block sites promoting malicious rumour, such as slashdot.org. When a new user account is created, the system should ask for the new user's religion, and provide permissions etc. appropriately. E-mail me as soon as you enter a beta testing phase - both myself and many others in my local congregation would be thrilled to participate! #===================== Subject: Christian O/S Please put me on your notification list. While some of the changes you talk about may be "a little bit offbeat",I for one would love an O/S, that ,everytime I was on the computer,would strengthen and encourage me in my walk with the Lord. jeff Download NeoPlanet at http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: When available? Can you let me know when this is available? Thanks. Tom Simon #===================== Subject: Christain Linux Not a bad Idea, I like how it gets people to think, even if it makes them mad. Are they really mad at you for making a Christian distribution of Linux, or are they mad at something else perhaps? Maybe it reminds them of the empty spot in their hearts..... Anything that lifts His name, Go for it! Mark D. http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: hi hi, go for it ! please put me on your mailing list God Bless, Jacob s #===================== Subject: Jesux Distribution Please put me on your mailing list for all information related to this distribution. I am a new Linux user (Mandrake) have defected from Windows (still trying to get everything working correctly) and would like to know if your distribution will be packaged with enough installation support to help us "newbies" make the transition (unlike Mandrake, who offers support but DOES NOT provide the support!)? Bob Deacon #===================== Subject: Interesting! TWIMK, What an interesting use/modification of technology! You've certainly chosen the most "sin-free" operating system. :) While I prefer standard Unix commands, I applaud your creativity and wish you luck! Harold P.S. Please don't put me on the mailing list - I'll drop by the site occasionally. #===================== Subject: Announcement List I would like to be added to the announcement list. Saw the article about the site on ZDNet this morning. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: mailing list please add xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx blessings, e.r.s. #===================== Subject: Keep it up! I've read some of the "anti-Christian" comments but I tell you: Let them wallow in their pity! I greatly appreciate the initiative and the backbone you show in this area. Please keep up the good work and look to the Lord and His word (KJV Bible) for the answers. It will give you peace of mind high and above the turmoil. With the Love of Christ #===================== Subject: JESUX Version of Linux Are you serious with this????? As a born again Christian, I'm concerned about what you are doing. Why are you getting rid of a perfectly useful program like SendMail just because it was written by a homosexual? Like you, I believe that lifestyle choice is disgusting and obviously a sin, but that doesn't make a software program wrong! Are you also refusing to be treated with medications which were developed by someone who was having an affair with another woman? The Bible says sin is sin...one is not greater than another. Also, considering to get rid of the term "abort" and "kill". Do you have these terms crossed out of your Bible as well? They are just WORDS!!! Nobody in their right mind thinks that if we as Christians use the word 'abort' that we are approving of child abortion!!! I hope and pray this release of Linux fails quietly. you are bringing reproach to the name of our God and our Saviour! PLEASE DON'T GIVE THE WORLD VALID REASONS TO BELIEVE CHRISTIANS ARE BRAIN-DEAD! ...brian Brian Osborne #===================== Subject: Stay KJV! I noticed you quoted the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible. Stay KJV! DO NOT USE ANY OTHER VERSION OF THE BIBLE. As previously determined (but not surprisingly overlooked) all other versions since 1881 were found to be corrupt and unfaithful. Stay true to the Lord and His word. KEEP CHARGING! With the Love of Christ #===================== Subject: Please allow us to help in your efforts Hello, My name is Bruce Obenour and I don't do this very often but I would like to make you an offer. I own a small consulting firm in Ohio and we would like to offer to host a website for your linux distribution project. I run this business as a part-time venture, hosting eight domains on linux servers using Apache. We have a graphic design artist onboard as well as a couple of linux/unix professionals. I would like to offer you a free site with domain name in exchange for advertising our company on the site. This is an open offer and the possibilities are endless. If you would like to discuss this just e-mail me and we can get the ball rolling. Thanks for you time. Bruce Obenour #===================== Subject: Announcement List Dear ones in Christ, Please put me on your announcement listing. Thank You and God Bless! #===================== Subject: Announcement list Dear Brother!! Could you please add me to the announsement list?? regards from Oslo, Norway, Tor Rysstad #===================== Subject: thump thump thump Apologies: We rightfully criticized slashdot.org previously, but we did not do so with a loving spirit. For that, we apologize. We still will not bow to the media, we do not need the media, and we will succeed in providing a distribution for you. If God is for us, who can be against us? "rightfully criticized," huh? doesn't your own doctrine count these two words as mutually exclusive? ahh .. i see .. you're RIGHT, 'cuz you're LOVED BY GOD - but they're WRONG, because they don't KNOW HIS GLORY. i don't even know why i'm writing this email - talking to you folks is generally about as interesting as talking to a brick wall. christianity has historically propagated some of the narrowest minds on the planet - in many parts of the world and many times. every now and then though, one "strays from the flock" and makes an effort to think for themself. think of this as me knocking on your door, asking if you've found Jesus. would you like a pamphlet? q. if god is perfect, can he make mistakes? and if he made us, including our potential for free will, for wonderful dreams and horrible nightmares - can any of this be a mistake? we are of "him" are we not? indeed, in my interpretation of the same good book that you have extracted such hatred and vitriol (who decided that homosexuality was evil? homophobic priests, i imagine. tell me, do you think that Jesus would turn any one of us away? is it not by your own admission that He is in all of our hearts, bearer of unconditional love and unspeakable compassion, and that it is we who refuse him, not the other way around?) i read that we are all, every one of us, precious and perfect in our process. good luck with your project. i tell you that He is here today, and that you are He. #===================== Subject: Jesux.org Have you considered registering jesux.org? I would be willing to provide DNS, at least temporarily. I don't have particularly high bandwidth so I'm probably not be the best place to ultimately host your site but I can help get you set up and I could work on the site itself if you like. I'm willing to do this at no charge. Let me know. If you decide to register the domain name, you can either do it yourself or I will do it for you. Either way, Network Solutions charges $70 which I think now has to be paid by credit card at the time of registration. Just put xxx-xxx as the code for Technical Contact (that's two xxxxxxxxxx). For primary and secondary DNS use the following: xxxxx xxxxx Let me know you have done this so I can get everything set up on this end. In the short term, I can set up a web page that will redirect users to your current site on Geocities. We can then work on getting you set up with that domain name on a server with plenty of bandwidth. I can also forward mail from xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx to your existing mailbox. If you don't care about registering your name, feel free to ignore this message. Thanks for the service. Henry Hartley #===================== Subject: Jesux Distribution
Dear Believers,
Please add my address to the announcement list as I am quite interested in your endeavours. I would like to learn more about the OS and its operating requirements.
 
Sincerely,
Bob Wood
 
#===================== Subject: Jesux Distribution Definately interested in trying the Jesux distribution, please put me on your announcement list. In Him, Tom Minton #===================== Subject: Interview with ChristianityToday.com/Christianity Onli Hello: This is Matt Donnelly with Christianity Online magazine, the biggest Christian Internet magazine in the U.S., and published by the same folks who publish Christianity Today, Campus Life, Christian History, etc. We just read about your Christian version of Linux in ZDNet, and we think it's an interesting idea. I was wondering if any of you guys/gals would be available for an interview in the near future about Linux, software, Christianity, etc. If so, please let me know. Best, Matt Matt Donnelly #===================== Subject: Please add to announcement list Please add my name to your announcement list. Our Church is currently running two servers (Novell and NT) and we could convert to jesux. We run Unix/Aix/NT on servers at my office and are setting up linux 6.0 on a new server. The squidGuard bundled and configured would be a useful feature both at work and at Church! Keep up the good work. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: Jesux Linux distribution I want to applaud you all for taking on this task. I am a minister, and I am currently working to set up a Christian webserver for the purpose of steaming several ministries here in Greensboro, NC via real audio and video. If you need any space, I will be glad to allocate some for this project. It will not be up until about the first of November. I will be using Linux on the server, and would really like to be able to move to your distribution. The current dist. that I am looking at is Linux-Mandrake. So it should be no problem for me to move to Jesux. BTW, I especially like the idea of changing several references, such as daemon. I never did like that connotation in Unix. I would like to be included on your announcement list to stay informed of this project. Please respond to xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Brian Rascoe #===================== Subject: Suggestion Hello, I just wanted to send a quick message with a suggestion for a bookmark for the upcoming Jesux OS. It's Christianity Online at www.christianityonline.com Christianity Online's parent company is Christianity Today, Inc., co-founded by Billy Graham more than 40 years ago. We offer the content of our 13 publications online with partially linked issues for current issues, and fully linked past issues. We also offer two search engines filled with thousands of links in our Net/SEARCH and Church Locator databases. Our site search, available on every page, offers quick access to any topic of interest and the articles from our publications that relate to it. We also have one of the largest areas on all of AOL at Keyword: CO. Please feel free to contact me personally at: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx if you have any further questions. God's Blessings... Michael Herman #===================== Subject: Hahahahahahahaha. #===================== Subject: Jesux --> Jesucks. Folks, although I laud your attempts to live a Christian life, I think that your efforts in this are sorely misdirected. Christ wanted us to love our neighbors and your efforts can only lead to contempt and alienation of large sections of the computer community. This hit over the head with a hammer approach is reproachable! As a Christian and a linux/unix user and advocate myself, I can only say one thing, STOP! Having read your website, I can only conclude that you have little insight into the motivations and philosophies that drive the computer community, especially the linux community. Head back to the Bible and keep away from the OS. Sincerely, Paul Lantinga #===================== Subject: Your list! Hi there - Please could you put the address xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on your announcement list for "Jesux"? Thanks! Neil S Hamilton - xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: Fw: The Real State of GOD's World. #===================== Subject: I like the concept All i would encourage you to do would be to maybe consider another name also. Although I know your intent was and is good, like you said, words aren't evil but they can be a stumbling block. And the name Jesux does resemble something that many christians hear way too often about Jesus. Just a thought. How about something like Cross-Linux or FaithfuLinux or Linux for Christians. Just a thought. Keep up the good work and God bless, Mike #===================== Subject: Jesux Linux Please put me on your announcment list. I am getting ready to put Linux on one of my HDs and am looking forward to learning it. I will be interested in the Christian version. Yours in Christ Jack Smith xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: No Discrimination Against Users or Groups Are you guys nuts?!? Will this mean Jesux will be available for homosexuals? Andjam #===================== Subject: Comments about Jesux Be greeted, I'm just a random Linux user, and I saw Jesux page today. I must say I don't know what to say - a kind of odd idea. Weird and wonderful. I am Lutheran and do believe in God, but I usually tend to think about things myself. My moral comes largely from the New Testament and Jesus' teachings. (Just for fairness sake, regarding some of the following comments: I'm bisexual, though I must say I'm sexually much more attracted to females. I won't quote the psychological studies that would prove this is a very common status - there are such papers, I'm sure of that. =) Okay, now to the comments about the feature list. I think the fortune file ideas are good - there *are* some interesting quotes in the fortune files already, but definitely not much. No idea about the American symbols, I'm definitely not American myself, nor I will be... Online Bible is a nice idea, but I'm in an infortunate position - I don't like personally the old translations, I read the newest translation (the last Finnish translation is from 1996 (IIRC), and as such copyrighted - it's available in the Web, though). I'm personally also against the Squid filtering idea - there *is no* smart filtering proxies available, and in many cases the filtering has been gone horribly wrong. (See censorware.org for grim examples about the current situation.) Also, I don't think there should be an Authority that tells which pages are good and which pages are bad, because goodness and badness are highly subjective terms and everyone has different opinions about them. Censoring pages is a power, and a power leads to corruption. Then the Sendmail issue. A MTA written by a homosexual. As I said, I take my moral rules from the New Testament, and ban on homosexuality is in the very same place that will say funny things about finance world and foods - on my point of view, Moses' law was very useful at that time, but not anymore these times now that the economic world relies on certain principles and eating blood is no longer a health risk. According to the researchers, the Bible was written by mortals under "divine inspiration", and as such it mirrors the attitudes of the people at the time. I don't consider wolves evil creatures, nor will many other people these days. Times change, and we change along. What next? Will you declare Java a bad language because coffee is a bad drink? Or, as some Slashdot users said, Python is bad because snakes symbolize the evil? =) [1] Also, please do bear in mind that there are few people out there who publicly tell about their sexual orientation. Studies say 10% of population have homosexual tendencies, and since programmers are a minority group, the percentage is probably even higher. I will bet that you will need to ban some kernel modules - or possibly a big part of the kernel - with this logic... Also, I'm a free software advocator, so qmail is EVIL. Sorry. =) And the encryption issue. Well, I have few things to hide, but I do want to hide the things that need to be hidden, because the world is what it is and not everyone is honest. I don't want to tell the world my credit card number, because that would lead to misuses (but truth to tell, I won't tell the number because I don't even *have* a credit card =). chmod... hmm. Oh, I get it. 0666 mode. With all due respect, but... Ridiculous! It's just a number - there's "magic" in every number possible, as any mathematician would point out. Masking it under another value doesn't change the number in any way. ... BTW, since there are no secrets, why on Earth you need the permissions anyway? =) There should be no file permissions, as everyone should be able to read everyone else's files. r00t p0w3rz. Just proving that issue wrong, QED. [1] ...don't take things too seriously. As Martin Luther said, if it's not allowed to laugh in the Heaven, I don't want to go there. #===================== Subject: Way to go! I think this is a great and overdue Idea. I applaud your commitment and drive. Although not an overly religious person, I feel that this type of product is needed for our schools and children. If the Linux community is a "open-sourced" as they say they are, they shouldn't mind people of faith creating their own product. Best Wishes, Billy Phipps #===================== Subject: If this really isn't a joke.... ...I would like to be put on your announcement list. ...I would like to help you making a Norwegian version (translation). And if this is a joke (and that it is what I really believe it is).... ...a lot of internet-magazine's have been fooled (f.ex:
(Note: the requested requirement that only Christians could redistribute the code was considered and rejected, in accordance with the "No Discrimination Against Persons or Groups" section of the Open Source Definition. We actually agree with this section of the OSD ...
 
qmail replaces sendmail as the standard MTA (sendmail was written by a prominent homosexual
 
Seems to me you aren't practicing what you preach. Don't bother responding to this, I don't have any time for your feeble minded rationalizations.
#===================== Subject: sendmail Do you have any ideas how many homosexuals have contributed to the Linux effort? I know of four personally, not including Eric Allman (who wasn't technically part of the Linux effort). Some Linux kernel code was developed by one totally "raging" homosexual. When Jesux is released, it'll be fun to enlighten everybody how much "homo code" is in there. I'll personally make it my jihad to make sure you look as stupid as you deserve to. Those who would twist His words of love into words of hate deserve rigorous and relentless mocking ... at the very least. MB #===================== Subject: Jesux Hey, I'm a born again believer. I found out about Jesux through a ZDNET News E-mail. I think it's a great idea. To bring forth a strong Christian presence on the Web and in people's computers. One area of concern I have, is when I read "qmail replaces sendmail as the standard MTA (sendmail was written by a prominent homosexual)" Did not Jesus hang out with sinners. Prostitutes and tax-collectors. Tax-collectors were known for collecting more tax than was required, and so they were considered by society as sinners. Jesus ate with them in their houses. Like most Christians, I'd be willing to bet that you don't even fully understand all the complications that come with homosexuality. For most homosexuals, they didn't choose that way. It is caused by a basic lack of love and acceptance from the same sex when they were growing up. So they grow up longing and aching to be loved and accepted by the same sex. Most homosexuals won't admit to that, but that is the root cause of their whole perversion. When I see other Christians "shun" the homosexual, it bothers me, because it actually causes more hurt and unacceptance to the homosexual, and Christians, by alienating the homosexual cause the perversion to actually deepen. There is no need to respond to this e-mail. I only want you to prayerfully consider what you are doing. My recommendation would be to remove that statement from your web-site: http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Yours Truly, A Brother in Christ #===================== Subject: Add ME John Farrar Sensible Computing Attachment converted: Bourque:John & Jeanine Farrar (E-mail). (TEXT/ ) (00062E12) #===================== Subject: Hosting your site. I came across your site in mention from slashdot. I think it s agood cause and I could tell its not a hoax because of the real goals intended by your changes. I think as well it could be a really good way to get christians that arent really 'online' yet to get into things a bit easier. For instance my mother is scared of the internet because of all of the doomsday stuff related to it. Anywya, I have a colocated machine and am fully willing to host your sites web page once you havea release. The only thing I really cant offer is the bandwidth for distribution, since we are carefully audited. Get in touch sometime. -- Jeremy Kuhnash Empirion #===================== Subject: Untrustworthy Operating System Skeptical as I maybe but I don't need an Operating System to govern my religion, that's why there are churches and bibles. This unification of christianity to everyone through an Operating System is something to be wary of. In my opinion, your approach of "Good will" in the future will be uncovered as Wolf in a sheeps clothing. Anyone can quote the scriptures but as soon as you've established a trusting reputation, are when things will turn into turmoil. This futile attempt is an example of the devil's work (Appearing helpful when there is vile motive behind it all). This ludicrious idea taints the image of the Linux community. I'll just stick to my bible and regular distribution of Linux OS. You will never convert me and I feel pity of to those who do. This is nothing more but a joke. In my religion of Baptist, we love everyone no matter who they are. Judging someone because they are homosexual is not part of christianity (SendMail (MTA)). This OS is too contraversal of beliefs that I doubt it will be any major distribition in the Linux community. Plus, everyone that is fluent in unix/linux community are sediment to the original commands. Like I said, a futile attempt. Joel Nice try Satan but you'll have to be more creative then this ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx #===================== Subject: Re: I don't think your site's a hoax but.... Jesux Developers wrote: > How do you propose I prove that which isn't true? The OSI makes no > statement, takes no stance, on anything related to it our stance on > sendmail. You have not given any evidence to show they have, other than to > say "it is about people co-operating," which is to say you have given no > evidence at all. Let's see. The whole procedure works like this: I write a piece of code I make the code freely available Other people modify the code, then re-distribute. That's what Open Source is, yes? That's also co-operation, yes? Either that or those Sesame Street people have been messing up my head again. The Linux kernel and other components are covered under the GPL, and the GPL has a non-discrimination clause written into it. Further, the "viral effect" of the GPL means any further modifications of the original code must be covered under the GPL. You may find yourself taken to court if you try to change the licensing of the code. > >> Of course not. God is, and we have His word. And note I did not say the > >> people are not Christian. Anyone, no matter what the sin, can be > >> Christian. A group, however, cannot be "Christian" if they violate the > >> tenets of Christianity. > > > >So.... let me get this straight. They are not > >a Christian group, just a group of Christians? And what sin have those people > >committed? We're not talking about homosexuals here, merely the Christians who > >love and support them. > > Please learn to think and to read. Wow, coming from a person whose head is stuck so far... in the ground that's quite a statement. > There is a difference between "groups" and "individuals". Please learn English. A group is a collective of individuals or of other groups. That's a poor flame, and you've ducked the question. Of course, that's because your logic is crumbling. The people are Christian. They call themselves Christian and even Christ called them Christian, as they are a group that gather in His name. They are therefore a Christian group. Perhaps you should take some courses in semantics. > >> >> The Bible is very clear. Homosexual relations are sinful, period. > >> >They are not Christian by your definition, and that again is dishonest. > >> No, it is not my definition. > >Yes, it is your definition. You have chosen to define God's word according to > >your own views. > You're wrong. Wow, your arguments are really starting to cave in here. I can't change your mind and frankly I don't care, but I've been Catholic for 20+ years of life, and every priest I've ever known has said this is God's word. > >Those people call themselves Christian, it's you who say they > >aren't. Didn't Christ say He was wherever two or more people gathered in His > >name? If they gather in His name, they are Christians and He is there..... > > No, He did not. Unless the Pope has decided to make us all pagan in the last few days, I'm Christian. I can't quote the chapter and verse but you know as well as I do those are the words He spoke. Perhaps you should read you Bible again. Wow, you've got quite the warped view of Christianity. > >> Church tradition dating back to Peter and Paul has always held that Paul's > >> words in the Bible (including those against homosexuality in Romans 1) were > >> the inspired words of God. > > > >But they're not Jesus' words, are they? > > I don't see the relevance. There's a huge relevance between the word of God and church tradition. Church tradition is not infallible, it's merely... tradition. We know Christ probably wasn't really born on the 25th, but it's Church tradition to celebrate the birth of Christ on that day. This is because the Church modified its holidays to co-incide with pagan ones, to make pagan conversion easier. I suppose it's an ecclesiastical version of Microsoft's "embrace and extend" philosophy :). The point is, God didn't say "Christ was born on the 25th", nor do we have an evidence indication He was. However, by church tradition we celebrate His birth on the 25th. The truth is different from tradition. The same is true of Peter and Paul. They were mere mortals trying to comprehend the mind of the Almighty. Of course their intellects weren't up to the task! Their words may be divinely inspired, but that doesn't make them the words of God. Now do you see the relevance? > >And in fact there's an awful lot of > >scholarly debate on just what Paul was saying. > > I would not call some of those people "scholars". Why wouldn't you? > There is no question in > the minds of those who have given their lives to being scholars of Paul and > the New Testament that Paul was saying that homosexuality was a sin. No, there's no question in the minds of those who agree with you. There are others, like Boswell, who have also given their lives to Biblical study and who disagree. > Those > who question it are coming from outside the church and trying to look for a > way around the biblical condemnation for their sin. Untrue. Many of these people are Christians of different faiths, but they are indeed Christians seeking the words and mind of God. > >They were words spoken by normal men, and the meaning of those words is not > >very clear after countless translations. > > Now you are just grasping at mythical straws. There were not countless > translations. Our earliest copy of Paul's epistle to the Romans itself > goes back to, at the latest, 4th c. (300 AD), which by any historical > standard is close enough to the date of writing (70 AD, IIRC) to > substantiate authenticity of author and accurateness of content. So what you're saying is there is about a 230 year gap between the time Paul composed his epistle and our first copy. I would say in that case, authenticity and author are suspect. > In fact, > the sheer volume of the different copies, from all over the area (as far > away as western Europe and central Africa) in a short amount of time and > without any significant difference between any of the verses in question in > any of these copies ... well, the case is strong for the authenticity of > the passage. All right, we'll accept your argument for now, though that's stretching things a little. That's a bit like saying because there are so many of Danielle Steele's novels, her stories must be true. > I suggest reading some Bruce Metzger. He is the foremost > authority on historicity of the New Testament texts. I'd recommend some > authors who dissent from Metzger's opinions, but I cannot think of any. > There really isn't any argument against it, but from those who don't know > the facts. Even if we allow for the fact that the copies are authentic, or close enough, you know as well as I they aren't written in English. Those texts are over fifteen centuries old, and language has changed considerably since then. This is why the words, their context and their relevance are open to debate. Even if we could come up with a literal translation, and even if that literal translation said what you claim, those words are still covered under church tradition and are not the words of God. Sorry man. > >> Jesus did not mouth the words, that we know. > >> God directly inspired them. If you read at all, you're well aware of this. > > > >Um, no. Jesus didn't say anything, Peter and Paul did. They were mortal and > >therefore fallable. They were not the words of God, it's as simple as that. > > If you believe Jesus is God, then you can believe that Peter and Paul were > inspired by God in their writings. Not at all. While I may believe Jesus is the Son of God, and even if I believed Peter and Paul were divinely inspired (and I do not), neither Peter nor Paul were God. They were men. As men, they were imperfect in body and mind, and their minds may simply have not been capable of interpreting God's word. Jesus was the Son of God, his mind was one with the Almighty, and he didn't have a word to say about homosexuality. If God were going to comdemn gays, Jesus would have mentioned something about it. > It sounds like you don't believe the former, so of course you will not believe > the latter. I may or may not believe the former, but that belief has nothing to do with the latter. > >And you should be ashamed of yourself. Who are you to put words into the mouth > >of God, or to determine what was divinely inspired? > > I don't, Peter and Paul and the church for nearly 2000 years has. I know Peter and Paul spoke SOMETHING, but I also know those words have been altered countless times in the last 2000 years by individuals within the Church, each of whom was mortal and had an agenda. The Church has put a lot of mortals (2000 years' worth) between me and God. That's a lot of eyes and minds operating as filters of God's word. > You must know this, if you read at all. I know that what the Church claims and what I see are two different things. I know I prefer to contemplate God's teachings for myself rather than blindly accept the opinions of an institution of mortal... and hey I'm Catholic. If you're Protestant you shuold be more open to thinking for yourself. > >You're using Christianity to > >jusitfy your bigroty. It's not for me to judge you, nor is it for you to > >judge > >me. THOSE are definately God's words. > > Actually, they aren't. He said, "judge not lest ye be judged." Thanks, I think we're all familiar with the passage. > That does not mean "judge not." It means realize that you will be judged. Wow, you're really into interpreting the passages of the Bible, then passing them off as infallible truth, aren't you? Everything I've been taught in 20+ years of Catholicism said that passage meant we should not judge each other, as that is God's job so thanks, but I'll stick with Church tradition on this one. The words in this passage, at least, are clear and you are perverting them to serve your own agenda. Shame on you. > In any event, I am not judging anyone. I am calling sin sin where we know it is > sin and where we feel it matters. Interesting semantics here. I am calling sin where WE know it..... No, you are calling sin where YOU see it. Better remove the beam in your own eye before you call attention to the mote in your brother's. > We do not say someone is going to heaven or hell or what the state of their > heart is. THAT is judging, and that is what we do not do. You've still judged Eric Allman and chosen not to use his software because you think he's a sinner. You did say that just two sentences ago, So you have judged. You just haven't acted as jury and executioner. Cheers. Mike #===================== Subject: suggestion Great site. Another suggestion: - Jesus has an account pre-installed on your machine so that he will always have a place in your /home. #===================== Subject: :-) heheh well done guys.. Kudos to a joke taken too far :-) keep it up.. = } http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx The future masters of technology will have to be lighthearted and intelligent. The machine easily masters the grim and the dumb. -- Marshall McLuhan, 1969 #===================== Subject: Jesux and Bible quotes I just visited: http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx The Learn Foundation is producing the International Standard Version, which is currently in release 1.10, build #2. While I note that, upon visiting your web site, I read that you "feel the KJV is the only English version that can be fully trusted", I think you'll find our translation to be extremely faithful. Dr. Paige Patterson, president of the Southern Baptist Convention, has spoken very highly of it. Our base translator for the ISV was Dr. David Black, a renowned Greek scholar, author of several Greek grammars, and a professor of NT Greek at Southeastern Baptist Seminary where Dr. Patterson serves as President. You can download a free copy of the ISV at http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx An Online Bible user is converting an RTF edition of the ISV into a database file readable by the Online Bible. If you wish to distribute the ISV with Jesux, you may do so royalty-free with the only restriction that no fee of any kind be charged for it. Your customers will need some sort of link to http://xxxxxxx so they can obtain free updates in the future. Regards, William Welty, M.Div. #===================== Subject: BSD vs. GPL licensing You have probably heard this before, but just in case... You can't repackage Red Hat (or any version of Linux) under a new license that includes a BSD-style advertisement clause. Linux is licensed under GPL which requires derivative works to also be licensed under GPL. Please read the GPL carefully before you attempt to redistribute GPL'd code. You can find the GPL at http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx For specific queries, you can contact xxx@xxxxxxxx I'm providing this note in concern for the GPL. I have no real interest in your product or in your mailing list. Thank you, Rob Napier #===================== Subject: Why just avoid sendmail? Make a Truly Christian OS! I noticed you are avoiding sendmail because you believe that the developer is homosexual, and providing non-pagan substitutes for abort and "daemons". Let's take this logic even further and avoid EVERYTHING developed by pagans or homosexuals .... software or technology ... so that your product will be truly Christian. Are you absolutely CERTAIN that qmail's developer is not gay or pagan? Have they signed an affadivit? And how about the developers of the "Bourne-Again" shell? Despite the name, are they Christian? They might be Catholic or Unitarian. If you are going to vet your programs against the religious and sexual habits of the developers you will have a very difficult time porting Linux into a truly "Christian" version. While Torvalds is probably a generic Swedish Lutheran, I know several of major contributors to the Linux project, and they are at best secular humanists and at worst heathens, pagans and uncloseted homosexuals. You will have to examine all the contributors and make sure to write a new version of any section of code they have contaminated with their ungodly ideas. Now to the hardware: Alan Turing's work was absolutely essential to the development of today's computing systems. And he was homosexual. Unless you develop an entirely different theory of computing, you can't use computers because a prominent developer was homosexual. The major developer of computer chips, Intel, not only does not discriminate against pagans (Hindu, Muslim, and Native American) and homosexuals, they let them form employee associations and meet on the premises just like the Christian groups. The major minds behind the current generations of chips happen to be Hindu, and that's about as pagan as you can get - they have dozens of gods. Tsu #===================== Subject: Jesux Announcement List Hi! Please can you add me to the Jesux announcement list. Regards Luke Diamand #===================== Subject: keep up the good work i think that what you are doing is a great idea, heck, maybe i cam convince my parents to go to linux with your distro #===================== Subject: you are... transformers: blessings in disguise friends, the fields are ready for harvest. your work is being led by the hands of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ. when i gazed upon your web pages, a great burden was lifted from me. you see, i have had a heavy heart for the lost souls on the internet for a number of years. for several years, i spent time on the newsgroup rec.music.Christian, trying to inform the people there that they were being led away from the Truth by their so-called "Christian rock" music. even though i was attacked from all sides, i held my ground for as long as i could and tried to lift the scales from their eyes. but eventually the burdens and trials of the real world led me away from them, praise God. even though my ministry has moved into different areas since then, i have always maintained a burden for the wandering souls on the internet. it is so uplifting to see other brothers (and sisters?) in Christ take up the banner that i was unable to continue carrying. we at the "Come on down!" Good-Times Tabernacle of Luv will be watching your progress with marked interest, and will be praying for the spiritual nourishment and refreshment that we are sure that you all will need. (please forgive our sad excuse for a web site for the ToL (if you happen to decide to go and take a look at it) - as i said, we have many other ministries that have taken precedence over the web site...we would rather be active in the heat of battle with the enemy than writing html, praise God.) i know that you have probably been deluged lately with e-mail, much of it probably being barbs thrown at you by the enemy himself. but i wanted to go ahead and send this short missive as a sign of support, to let you know that your work will not be overlooked by God, and even if it doesn't garner you the praise of man, your treasures will be waiting for you in Heaven (the ultimate computer in the sky, with infinite bandwidth, praise God), run by the only true sys op - the root of all creation. #===================== Subject: Jesux/linux the linux OS does not have a strong a TCP IP kernel as does FREEbsd, please consider this in the future. linux is very exploitable/hackable freebsd is not #===================== Subject: Serious? Is it serious what you're planning? Planning a christian Linux just seems like the most narrow-minded idea I've ever heard. Either this is just a big joke (it's too easy to get a Geocities site and a
heh .. wow .. this is the funniest thing i've ever read about .. taking prejudice to a new level .. heh .. great job fools .. excellent use of those great chrisitian hypocritical values!
#===================== Subject: uh This a joke or what? you guys must be kidding. If not, you're freaks. #===================== Subject: Hello
I was recently pointed to your site and I have only a few questions:  Is this a joke?  Are you actually serious?  If this is a real distribution, I am frightened.  If it is a joke, wow, good one guys, you had me totally fooled.
 
Alasdair Gillespie
#===================== Subject: Yea verily spoke Jesux! Pretty damned (oops!) funny, guys! It's so much like real Christian crap that it seems to have a lot of people fooled. One small detail: you've transposed the sigma and the theta in the Greek word for "fish." It should read "ikthus," but it reads "iksuth." I don't know what "iksuth" means in Greek, but I sure hope it's nothing demonic! I suggest the following Bible verse as a caption for your site: "For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may call upon the name of the Lord, to serve him with one consent." Zephaniah 3:9. Yours for Satan. #===================== Subject: Announcement list subscribe Please add my email address xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx to your announcement list. Thank You Randy Rowsey #===================== Subject: Are you for real?
Is this for real?
 
If, I would like to be informed as the work progresses.
 
qmail shuld be much more easy to handle than sendmail, but is it right to condem a persons work because he is in error? I do not think so. We shuld not condem people that way, only sin! I do not think he will be saved because of your statments, for shure :-(
 
BUT THE PROXY is good! Yeah! I want that! PLEASE DO IT! I know there asr some people in Tulsa who runs a Christian ISP service. Thay might help finding exisiting lists. There shuld be som existing lists you could use. I think  its famelyConnect or something, the name of the ISP.
 
I think you are doing something real good, and I hope its for real!
 
 
#===================== Subject: Distribution Name As a Christian, I find the actual named of your proposed distribution offensive. I consider naming it "Jesux" to be taking the Lord's name in vain. Have you not considered that by trying to be clever, and combine "Jesus" and "Linux" into "Jesux", you are taking the Lord's name in vain? I.e. you cheapen the name of Jesus by applying it to an everyday object such as an OS. I have no problems with a Christian-oriented Linux distribution. But I do have trouble with the name you chose. #===================== Subject: (no subject) Are you serious? Is this for real? Very interesting idea. When/is your version of linux available? thanks, jason #===================== Subject: Jesux I am assuming two things about your OS: 1. The name is capitalized (i.e., Jesux rather than jesux) 2. The OS will not be vulnerable to attacks by SATAN :-) #===================== Subject: Jesux That's some funny stuff! That'd be pretty funny if someone ever really did model an OS after a religion... oh wait... Micro$oft<-->$cientology? Hmmm... #===================== Subject: conformant to HTML 4.0 strict and CSS1? We're having a hard time deciding whether or not this is all a big joke. The following, at least, cannot be taken seriously: Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. (Phillipians 4:8) As such, this site is conformant to HTML 4.0 strict and CSS1. The following are the results of a validation test by validator.w3.org: Document Checked URI: http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Last modified: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:10:04 GMT Content length: 9408 Character encoding: unknown Document type: HTML 4.0 Strict. Below are the results of attempting to parse this document with an SGML parser. Error at line 178: tp://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=76000007&t=938535768" WIDTH=1 HEIG general entity "t" not defined and no default entity (explanation...) Error at line 178: .com/serv?s=76000007&t=938535768" WIDTH=1 HEIGHT=1> required attribute "ALT" not specified Error at line 178: .com/serv?s=76000007&t=938535768" WIDTH=1 HEIGHT=1> document type does not allow element "IMG" here Error at line 181: